Never followed Carl Froch..basically this guy wants to be Roy Jones?

There's no chance of taylor going the distance,
Froch KO in 8.

 

--Based on what?? Froch hasn't beaten anyone...Froch hasn't fought anyone....you juss don't like black fighters...ima bit34 slap you when Carl loses!

 

Based on the fact it's Taylor - the man has no heart. Froch's gonna keep coming and coming and coming and coming throwing bomb after bomb after bomb after bomb - what's Jermain going to do? Call the relevant affirmative action office?

Taylor doesn't have the power to keep Froch back that's all you need to know to know how this fight ends. I'm not saying Taylor is a bad boxer but this is simply how it is; Pascal hits far harder than Taylor and probably belongs at 175 just how he made it to 168 I have no clue.

 

Ok ...Taylor is alot more skilled than Froch...To say Taylor has no heart is an opinion..He showed alotta heart against BHOP...Pascal is about the only win for Froch over anyone semi-worthy....I'll take Taylor by wide UD :bbb

 

Heartless fighter? He rematched Hopkins, he took on Kelly Pavlik when he didn't have to, rematched him after getting KO'd.

He has plenty heart. YOU on the other hand, have little redeeming qualities at all.

 

Very strange that you would have such passionate feelings about a boxer who has been extremely under-promoted up until around the Pascal fight. He was pretty much unknown to most people bar the true boxing fans inside of Britain and Ireland, never mind Europe, Asia, Australasia, Africa and Canada and Mexico and all their neighbouring nations.

After the Pascal fight he began to be, deservedly, recognised by boxing fans outside of the UK and Ireland and the more casual followers in the British Isles.

We began to learn his character and personality and found that, although - like every single other decent and better boxer who ever lived, anywhere in the World - he is extremely confident, he is actually a humble, down to Earth guy, who is obviously not lacking in intelligence and can read the sport well, from the science to the politics of boxing.

Up till the Pascal fight, we witnessed a very slick, quick and talented boxer. In the Pascal fight, we witnessed someone who is able to change his gameplan and style of boxing to suit the occasion. We saw someone slug it out in a real war. We saw someone with huge heart and deterination and someone who can take a right ****ing hefty whack and keep his composure and his legs.

And we saw someone who was gracious in victory and who went out of his way to discuss the fight with Pascal (in the days after the decision), to keep Pascal's confidence up and keep him chasing the best.

So, what is it about this guy that so deserves your wrath? "Red Gloves" would tell us that it is simply ignorant, American xenophobia but I generally choose not to listen to his rants (not that he is dislikable in any way, I just don't agree with him that all Americans are fascistic, monsters who cry with pride at anything to do with the USA and anyone who was born within those borders, or squeeks with self rightious, obnoxious bigotry at anything or anyone not fantastic enough to have been born a USAian (except, strangely, for the Irish, who the Yanks all have tiny wee hard-ons for, for some reason. Not that I think their's owt wrong with the Irish, you understand. They are wonderful people and, like the majority of white Anglo-Saxons in the Manchester, Liverpool and other places around the North West of England, I have, what Morrissey proudly delivered, Irish blood, English heart).

So, to end this boring and long winded post. Could your dislike (hatred?) really stem from something as pathetic and maudlin as him having the Union Flag next to his name on his resume?

Or am I (and I do hope so) completely wrong and you aren't actually even American and you have some real, well thought out and easily explainable reasons for your fervent, vehement paroxysm?


Find out nex..... well, never because I totally ****ed up my point and made my post too long winded, tiring, dull and frankly quite boring for anyone to read, never mind the person I am trying to "out".


Tsch!atsch When will I ever learn??:?

 

Froch's a cocky fighter who fights in bursts, loves a tare-up and, in love with his power, aims to knock you out with one shot. He keeps his hands low to draw his opponent in so that he can counterpunch him, he has a lazy, long jab and a very good lunging uppercut. He has very good power, but not much speed or accuracy, and he telegraphs his punches a lot. He doesn't move fast or well in the ring. He's got a very good chin and he seems very tough, but has little in terms of defensive skills, and he leaves himself very wide open. Even a journalist who sparred with him for a laugh managed to clock him flush. He has a big heart and fights strong till the final bell. Very entertaining to watch, especially against fighters of a similar calibre and fighting style.

 

Oh really? Ok then tell me why Taylor never went for the kill in his rematch with Pavlik huh? It's well documented he was afraid to commit after getting KO'd in the 1st fight. Hardly a warrior's mentality.

What about turning down millions to fight Calzaghe after those wins over Hopkins huh?

Picking instead to fight a guy he thought he could easily beat only to be proved utterly wrong (Pavlik)

What about calling out Calzaghe AFTER he retired and AFTER previously turning him down huh? Knowing full well the fight then wouldn't happen?

What about not giving Winky the deserved rematch huh?

And finally what about having to be pretty much SHAMED into fighting Froch but still refusing to cross the pond and keep fighting in his home country. What about that huh?



I told you my views on Taylor were not personal but views on him as a boxer. I did not get personal. YOU did. Think about that Arriba.

 

He's certainly not one dimensional. Definitely, definitely not.

By the look of your post, you have only seen Froch fight in one fight and that was with Pascal. In that fight he showed a **** load if character, heart and bollocks! What was most impressive was that this was almost the opposite of the way he normally fights!

This is exactly why he isn't at all "one dimensional" and you would know that full well if you had just bothered yourself in watching more than one of his fights, before completing an opinion on someone, using little more than guesswork.

Sorry mate, I don't mean to have a go. I like you, I think you're generally one of the better posters here but one of my real dislikes is people forming strong opinions on the basis of guesswork or very little evidence.


Incidentally, I'm really tired, I mean, really, really tired (not slept a wink in the last two nights and days, which is most probably why my last two posts including this one has been such rambling, boring rubbish) and as I was posting this, I started drifting off and I started dreaming a little (I know, I know, REM sleep and all that but...). Obviously because I'm on here and talking to you lot about Froch and boxing and so on, I start dreaming about boxing but for some reason, I was dreaming about Danny Williams, not Carlos Frochsini. I haven't thought about Danny Williams, AKA The Black Tyson, in many, many moons. I dunno how much is known about him in the USA/Europe (and all them other places people tend to leave out of such lists), I presume he is pretty well known for his fight with Tyson and his unfortunate bout with Klitschko. Anyway, I reckon it's high time for a DW thread, don't you?

I might get one going. I know for a fact he posts on here, so it may spur him into getting into training and considering a few fights!


(see what I mean about my dozy and dopey rambling?? My sincere apologies to anyone daft enough to read any of my shite tonight!)

 

****ing idiot, bringing race/colour into this for absolutely no ****ing reason!! **** me, I ****ing detest people like you!! What a ****ing wanker you are, our kid!

Ask Rick who is all time favourite ten fighters are and I bet you at least half will be black!

You know what though, you using ethnicity here, we actually know that you really do hate fighters just because they are British (yep, not even black British boxers). You give none of them any of the respect that they deserve and your weird, creepy envy is well known on this forum.

You are thick as pig **** though. I remember you speaking about black British boxers and calling them "African American British boxers"!!! You can't get more disgustingly imbecilic and cretinous than that!

 

There's a clear difference between boxers who put it all on the line and boxers who are just in it for the monetary gain. Taylor is a fantastic boxer, a great talent but brings no real heart no drive into that ring.

The ONLY time Taylor was hungry was when he fought Bernard and he fought him at just the right time when Bernard was getting older and morphing into a more defensive fighter. If you don't believe me watch the tape - both fights, Hopkins was more agressive in the second but it wasn't enough Taylor was allowed to comfortably box on the outside which his Olympic pedigree was perfect for while Hopkins tried to counter & set traps - go look at it again!
If Hopkins had been more assertive from the moment the bell rang like he was taking it to Pavlik he would never have lost those fights.

To turn around and say any boxer who enters the ring is exempt from criticism is wrong; he's choosing that path not you and Taylor certainly isn't doing it for the accolades either he's doing it for money so I feel guilt free in judging him.

Taylor is a technical fighter who's in it for money; he has no ambitions for being 'the best' only getting rich via the quickest route - and who can blame him?

Finally if a boxer is exempt from criticism because he chooses to step in those ropes why does this forum exist? To say that you must apply the same logic to all fighters so no criticizing Wlad or Vitali, or Calzaghe for his record or Hopkins for short balling Adamek., or Bute for not rematching Andrade - they all 'risk their lives every time they fight'

 

I agree with every word of this.

This is Carl Froch's style.

The only thing he has in common with Roy Jones is he often keeps his hands down.

 

I wondered why you were laughing then and then I re-read the post you replied to and saw that he had forgotten to mention that he ran that distance/time backwards.

It does make it funny when it looks like he only runs "20 80 metre sprints up hill in 10 seconds" when going forward.