Your top six pound for pound all time and why

Yeah same here, I feel very strongly aboutn Roinson being top of the tree, and there's Greb with maybe the best resume ever. Then you got your guys like Duran etc who you can have over Ali on preference and justify it, but I just wanted to voice my opinion that Ali is with them no doubt.

 

My top 6 right now are

1. Robinson
2. Langford
3. Greb
4. Charles
5. Armstrong
6. Duran

 

This is something along the lines of what I would put up. Perhaps Pep (or even Ali) instead of Armstrong, though. I more and more think that Duran has to be included in this kind of company, very likely in the top 5 (damn you Stonehands!)

 

Can it really be justified to have Charles outside the top 3? The guy has great, great wins ranging from Burley to Louis, and is more or less the consensus top LHW.

 

I think he comes out with the lesser argument for a top 3 placing compared to Robinson, Langford, and Greb. Langford and Greb both have better resumes, Greb in the same divisions and Langford in more. Robinson has a pretty much equal resume as a whole, better win-loss record, better run in his prime, better longevity, and none of his losses are as damaging as Ezzard's early losses to Bivins and Marshall.

As seen by my list though, I do think that he edges past the others for the spot at #4.

 

Robbo
Langford
Armstrong
Greb
Duran
Pep

 

Langford
Greb
Robinson
B. Leonard
Armstrong
Duran?

 

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Roberto Duran

Nice to see Walcott get mentioned I have a little lower but he is deserving of a very high placing.

 

Well, I'll be damned! Bokaj continues to impress with his open mind.

...butdon'topenittoowidebecauseAlidoesn'tbelonginthetop5....no way, no how.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson. One-time welter and five-times middleweight champion. Almost light heavyweight champion. Opposition was excellent. Looks fantastic on film. He was the perfect mix of skill, smarts, strengths, and durability. Very long-lived career.

Henry Armstrong. Featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight champion. Almost middleweight champion. Defended his welterweight title a ridiculous number of times. Opposition was excellent. Looks fantastic on film. Ultimate pressure fighter. Incredible stamina. Very durable.

Roberto Duran. Lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight champion. Defended his lightweight title 12 times. Opposition was excellent. Looks fantastic on film. Perfect mix of boxing skill and violent disposition. Like Robinson, career was long lived. Durable, though was blown out in a fight, which is the main reason he doesn't rank number 2.

Muhammad Ali. Three-time heavyweight champion. Defended his title 19 times. Opposition was excellent (best ever in the heavyweight division). Looks fantastic on film. Like Robinson, a strategist of the first order. Durable. Rank number 4 because there were aspects of his style that would have made him less effective in more talent-rich divisions, but would not stop him from dominating or nearly dominating any division in which he competed.

I have several who vie for five and six. In no order, they are Ezzard Charles, Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Harry Greb, Michael Spinks, Pernell Whitaker, and Willie Pep. I can explain why they are candidates if you wish.

 

I am stunned that you are apologizing for Ali's being ranked at #4. As if it's low. It's too high! Ali does not belong among the top 5 p4p, all-time!

Ferdie Pacheco and Angelo Dundee are wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

I have no problem with top 5 S89, i made a post about it earlier. I respect your opinion my friend, bt im not of the same such.

 

1. SRR
2. Langford
3. Pep
4. Greb
5. Benny Leonard
6. Duran
7. Armstrong
8. Maywhether
9. Gans
10. Walker

 

I don't care what Pacheco or Dundee think about anything. Pacheco annoys me. I don't make judgments based on other people's opinions.

Ali was three-time champion, from 1964-1970, 1974-1978, 1978-1980. Very few fighters have ever been three-time world champions.

Ali successfully defended his title 19 times, 9 times in his first run and 10 times in his second run. Very few fighters have ever been able to boast of this many defenses.

Ali beat numerous great, very good, and very tough heavyweights - Liston, Patterson, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Chuvalo, Frazier, Quarry, Ellis, Bonavena, Norton, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, Young, etc. Very few fighters have ever been able to boast of so many wins over such outstanding or rugged competition.

Ali fought in the division where there is no upper limit, taking on fighters who were much bigger than he was. There are few fighters who can boast of beating fighters who outweighed them by so many pounds.

I can't think of another fighter outside of the three I put 1-3 who accomplished more and have a better resume than Muhammad Ali. In fact, in some ways, his record is better than Duran, seeing how he was never blown away in two rounds or outclassed over 15 in his early 30s. In longevity terms, he surpasses Armstrong by light years.

So, yes, I have to apologize for putting the greatest heavyweight ever and a fighter who would be hell in any division in any historical moment fourth.