In modern boxing, from the early 1800's when Mendoza, the first Jewish boxing champ, invented the jab, to Floyd Mayweather today, whose virtuoso use of the shoulder roll style has influenced boxers today, I think you can see many boxers who consciously or unconsciously, imitate either successfully or unsuccessfully, those great champions. Who in your mind, has made other fighters after him imitate his style? For me, I still remember the first time I saw Muhammad Ali fight and I was blown away by how easily he defied the "rules" of boxing and introduced his own dynamic, beautiful style. He wasn't the best technician or the best puncher but watching him was how I'd imagine a beginner dancer first saw Baryshnikov. Roy Jones to me, is like an evolution of Muhammad Ali's style. His use of the left hook as an offensive and defensive weapon is otherworldly and so flashy that other boxers, IMO, have tried to duplicate it with varying degrees of success. He is probably at least partially responsible for the majority of imitators getting KTFO trying to imitate his style. One day when I meet him, I'm going to tell him that he's responsible for half my brain cells that have met their maker. Jesus C Chavez is probably the penultimate Mexican slugger of the 80's. When you think machismo, mano-a-mano infighting, great bodyshots and granite chins, Chavez has to be one of the first names to spring to mind. Generations after him have tried to duplicate him. Who else has made their mark on other fighters?
Ali based his style on Sugar Ray Robinson who he Idolized, so much so that he tried to get Robinson to be his trainer before Angelo Dundee got the job.
Yeah but I think he's talking about the flaws that Ali had that Sugar didnt. Such as pulling straight back, not working the body and such.
I feel ricky hatton is phenominal, and made it more of throwback rough tough than it has been in recent years.. Mauling is a great style, with great effect that is sort of a lost art.. Cheers to Hatton on May 2nd!
Chavez has been imitated by TONS of other fighters. Castillo, Cotto, his son, are all obvious examples. Chavez himself has a style that is very similar to Joe Frazier's. IMO, JCC had to have been inspired by Frazier; Smokin' Joe is a lot more influential than people give him credit for.
Too me if a fighter changes boxing it shows up in the fighters that come after him...In watching the next generation sort of speak and seeing how many of them attempt to use that style as thier own. So it builds over time...When watching say a Floyd Mayweather you can see elements of Leonard, Jones and Whitaker in what he does. Its a loaded question really, being that so many fighters have pasted and many of them did the things that the fighters after them did but arent credited with doing so. Example if I was to say what fighter drops his hands really low then expodes on guys with a wicked shot, many would say that was Jones, but the truth is Donald Curry was the fighter that Im thinking of, who came before Jones. So which fighter should get credit for doing it???
No that isnt correct..Boxing had already started to drop from 15 rounds to 12 before that. Only thing that happened was that one of the ABC groups I cant remember which one, I think it was the WBC but not sure, order that all of the title fights would be 12 rounds, which was something that was already in the plans... However 15 rounds fights kept on going after the Mancini Kim fight. In fact I believe that Mancini himeself fought in several 15 rounders after the fight with Kim.. I know that he lost to Brumble was a 15 round fight.
I'm personally leaning towards Frazier as a key fighter who inspired fighters of future generations. The way I look at there are fighters one can learn from and duplicate and there are other fighters such as Ali and Jones, who are so athletic that duplication is confinded to the very few. These are the fighters who can actually make mistakes, ie Ali going straight back, not going to the body etc, and get away with it. It's the fighers like Leonard, Duran, and Frazier that I think lends itself to being copied because although these styles too are hard to duplicate, they are essentially more fundamental. Not sure if this post makes perfect sense, but I think some will get the drift.
yeah people will give a **** in yen years about that run hahaha...NO...although vuic is a great champ
Sugar Ray Robinson fought with a 1970's - 1980's era style (in terms of advancement) in the 1940's and 50's and sparked a big change. Evander Holyfield left a great mark at Cruiserweight that no one seemed to follow up on.