Foreman vs Walcott

Walcott would have to be very, very careful for five rounds to have a chance. Still, considering that he wasn't as elusive as Young nor as durable as Ali, I would pick big George to win by kayo.

 

Walcott not as elusive as young? I disagree

 

Walcott had better feet than Young and had much more authority on his punch than Ali or Young...Walcott also had a percision power punch in both hands but his hook was a thing of beauty....He troubles Ali with the hook and Holmes with the right and Foreman with both hands, footwork and slick counters...thats the way I see it ...JJW even at 37-38 is a specimen and a challenge for anyone

 

Ali and Young are bigger than Walcott. And have better chins than Walcott. Even if Jersey had more power.

YES Ali would have taken Rocky's SuzieQ that KO'd Walcott. You will tell me based on what? Well...base it on their careers and punch resistance.

Now Bummydavis is claiming that Walcott troubles Ali (maybe) but Ali would still beat him.

The 37-38 Walcott gets iced by a 24 year old Dempsey, gets iced by a 24 year old Louis (when you consider a Louis who was past his prime KO'd Walcott in his prime) and a 24 year old Frazier. All these guys are better Heavyweights than Ezzard Charles (who was a great fighter) or Rocky Marciano (Rocky was a great fighter).

Would Walcott trouble Tyson now?

Joe was a great fighter. But he is not beating Foreman. I don't want people saying, "well Toney stopped Evander so anything is possible." You bloody well know that was a shot Evander who Toney would never dent in his prime. Don't use shot examples.

 

thats your opinion. Many will disagree with you.

 

Well the 1st fight with Louis most eye witnesses say Walcott won. JJW was erratic. I think Walcott would trouble Tyson as well. Young did not have to face persistant punchers like Marciano and Lewis and the Punchers Ali faced like Foreman (lacked stamina) and Liston was outpunched and out manuvered because of speed..(they were upsets) What I am saying is IMO Walcott could upset them all on a good night. Walcott had a very good shot of beating Dempsey..Dempsey had trouble with crafty boxers (Meehan,Gibbons,Tunney) Do I think Walcott could have a chance to upset Tyson most definately but that is my opinion...I think that is what you were trying to say....could the 24 year old Frazier beat Walcott possibly but JJW could beat any of them on a good night. I laugh when a lot of poster talk of age, when it was the older guys like Walcott, Charles and Moore who beat most of the younger bigger guys of the 50's...and today we have a 44 year old B-Hop who just upset a young undefeated powerful champion in Kelly Pavlik........JJW had a chance to beat any of them

 

Walcott may give Dempsey trouble. Tunney was successful against Dempsey, albeit Walcott was not quite the mover Tunney was. Walcott is about the same size as Dempsey. If Dempsey rushes Walcott and can hit him cleanly he probably does pretty well for himself. Maybe, I'm giving Walcott too much credit.

Tyson would blow Walcott away.

On Marciano's ability to hurt Ali. Marciano wasn't a one-punch guy, but a wear-them-down type. He wouldn't have enough time to wear Ali down. He isn't hurting Ali with a single shot.

 

I guess Walcott is going to give anybody problems due to his style.

It is implicit in his style that he has a chance against anybody.

 

Walcott was a better mover than tunney. Why? Walcott's footwork is the greatest we have ever seen in the history of the ring, he defines the word "Cute" and "tricky", he ties his opponents up in knots with his footwork alone. Louis had no idea what to do with him, he confused him so much with his movement. Walcotts upperbody and headmovement were also leages above tunney and most fighters. Walcotts movement was so unpredictable it made him frustrate hall of famers to death.

Your wrong. Marciano was a one punch kayo guy, especially pre 1954 while at his peak. Contenders Rex Layne, Jersey Joe Walcott, Harry Kid Mathews, were all knocked out by just 1-2 single punches. Same with Louis. all of marcianos early opponents were knocked out cold by one Suzy Q right hand.

Jack Dempsey, interviewed in the 1953 fall edition of Fight magazine said, "What everyone forgets is that Marciano can punch harder with a right hand than any modern-day heavyweight. In his first fight with Walcott, Rocky needed only one blow to win the title. The power in his right scrambled Jersey Joe's brains at Chicago."
"I've scored my share of knockouts along the way, but more often than not my opponents got up after being knocked down and had to be knocked down repeatedly. The same is true of Joe Louis. But Marciano needs only one solid smash and it's all over.
That's why I say Rocky Marciano is the hardest-hitting heavyweight champion I have seen."

 

LOL, the invincible Walcott, how come this wonder of the world ever lost a fight ?

Any way , mismatch, Foreman in two, max. He will go down from glancing blows. Tyson, lmao, ......less than one round, and I am being generous.

As far as Marciano is concerned, I love the guy and what he has accomplished, but his punching power against REAL SKILLED BIG heavyweights who never fought under 220 is not even in the same zipcode as Foreman-Tyson-Lewis-VK-WK . Fact not fiction. NONE of them would need to come from behind to get Walcott out of there because he would never make it past four..........guaranteed. WK's jab alone would make poor Walcott crosseyed
. Rex layne-Matthews and the ancient Louis straight out of a time machine would be nothing more than cannonfodder, hell except for the shopworn Louis as a marketing gimmick no net work would put those guys in main events. Period.

Dempsey ? Put him in a time machine and have him witness Foreman-Tyson-VK-WK and he would flip flop his " Marciano hardest hitting hwt champ" statement like a oily politician.

Newsflash : evolution goes forwards not backwards..............

 

"No network would put those guys in main events"

Actually, these guys were regulars on network TV. Has any active fighter at all fought on network TV in the United States?

You assume that big heavyweights are more resistant to punches. Can you produce historical proof? Even in modern times, does Wlad Klitschko have a better chin than Holyfield? Did Lewis?

 

I'm going to assume you've never actually seen Marciano-Louis.

 

Oh you mean like Frazier did in fight 1

 

A wear-you-down-fighter is always going to better against Ali than a big, single-punch hitter and his carrier shows that. Frazier gave him all he could handle, while Foreman and Liston were easy wins and he had no business beating Shavers at that point in his career. Marciano would give Ali hell through all 15.

 

I would be willing to bet my house that you have never seen rounds 1-5 of marciano-Louis.


As for the knockout, Marciano needed only one left hook to floor him. Then when he had louis trapped on the ropes, just one left uppercut followed by the Suzy Q right hand put him through the ropes. Thats only 2 punches.




The pre 1954 version of marciano was ABSOLUTLEY a one punch knockout artist. Marcianos style changed after 1953 and he became a more accumalitve puncher, I think the marciano of 51-52 was better.