Duran v Chavez who wins catch weight?

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  1. gooners!!

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    I think so to. Alexis did not cope well when people got inside. Dont you think Duran would have to be very carefull though? i mean back then Duran did used leave his chin up in the air sometimes, and Arguello's counter left hook was tremendous. I reckon he could catch Duran coming in the way he did Olivares,Escalera. That is also the punch De Jesus dropped him with so it is concievable Arguello could land that punch.

    Id still pick Duran though. Arguello not comfortable fighting inside, and not as devastating a puncher when he cant get the extension on his shots etc.
     
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    Alexis preferred to fight inside fighters. He was past his best at LW though and Duran was at his best, good decision for Duran though he would have to take Hell to win.
     
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    WTF

    He was more devastating from range where he could measure his opponents. Guys like Rooney who stayed on the end of his punching range got hammered. Guys like Fernandez that gave him lateral movement frustrated him.

    Arguello was not a good inside fighter. Ive seen nearly all of Arguello's fights, and he struggled when guys got inside his power. His counter left hook bailed him out against Olivares a fight he was losing. Pryor showed how he could not handle it on the inside to.
     
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    I hate to sound pretentious but I'm sure other posters will back me up, I'm somewhat of an Arguello 'expert', and I can guaran-damn-tee you that he preferred to fight bullrushers.

    Way past prime against Pryor as well.
     
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    He struggled against 'pure boxers' as well (e.g Marcel) and all his best wins were against inside fighters.
     
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    Duran struggled with guys who moved, not guys who didn't move.
     
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    No offence, but having seen majority of his fights i cant BELIEVE you think he was good inside fighter. He was not bad inside, but he was uncomfortable there.

    Guys like Kobayashi,Rooney that tried to fight Arguello from punching range got destroyed. Two ways to be effective against Arguello lateral movement, and get close to him to nullify his power. Olivares used lateral movement, and went inside with him in spurts, he was winning the fight untill he got caught.

    You keep thinking your an expert lol. I seriously question your Boxing knowledge if you think Arguello was a good inside fighter. When people got inside Arguello long arms and power they had success. Problem is he punched so damn hard he could catch you eventually when you slacked of the pace and gap between you got bigger, and he got more punching room.

    Mancini stayed close to him had success, but when he tired and the gap got bigger as per normal Arguello got his punching room and destroyed him with his power.
     
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    I already know this. Leonard/Laing/Benitez

    Dont mean he would win decisively against a great inside fighter like Chavez.
     
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    Hey fleaman why do you think Arguello struggled with lateral movement? because he could not measure people when they were moving.

    Arguello's power was on the end of his punches.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZmdmjnr6D0[/url]
     
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    Another example look at the distance Arguello is operating from.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9X6lSk3b1c[/url]


    There is that counter left hook is was talking about.
     
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    duran was a greater inside fighter, who could mix it up from range with his boxing ability. duran did everything chavez did, but better. body punching, combination punching, fighting in the pocket, inside work, mobility, slipping/rolling shots, feints etc........

    i agree with this being a tough fight for either, but i dont think chavez would be physically stronger in a fight between them.
     
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    There is an element of truth to this, but only because his power was the deciding factor, but as much as that contradicts the notion he was not good inside most of those were COUNTER shots where Arguello had been struggling in the fight. Take away that power and you will come to the conclusion he is uncomfortable inside. However Duran is better than most of those guys that eventually got inside Arguello and caused him trouble. That is why Duran would of capitalized on it like another good fighter did Pryor.
     
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    Again, just curious and yes it is a cool picture.
     
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    You mean the way Rosario did? Some people are seriously underrating Chavez who never lost until he was 89-0.
     
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    I don't understand. I don't remember Rosario being a trash talker. I am not underrating him. I am posting my opinion that he would lose to Duran. 89-0, but if you remember, he fought every two months and a lot of the fighters were C level just to keep him sharp. That was a great idea actually and then he would take on the top contenders. He is an ATG in my book, but to answer this thread, Duran by decision at 140.