Did Comeback George Have The Greatest Heavyweight Chin Of All Time?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    The number of bangers he faced was unfriggin' believable. I'm of the train of thought that if nothing else the steroid laced 90's was the definitive decade of hard hitting heavyweights.

    Shannon Briggs, who, I believe, has the most first round KO's of all time. The most since Jack Dempsey.

    Tommy Morrison.

    A more in shape and focused Cooney then many give him credit for.

    Alex Stewart beat Foreman until he looked like a ****ing alien.

    Bert Cooper. Probably the hardest hitting CW of all time. Oliver McCall said no one ever hit him harder.

    I don't think Holyfield ever unloaded on someone like he did Foreman. Years later Evander would drop the likes of Ray Mercer with bodyshots.

    Moorer. Again, as with Holyfield I never saw him hit someone so flush so many times.

    I don't know. His resolve was seemingly absolute. He willed himself into being unhurtable, as both LaMotta and Chuvalo have said they also did.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. CANNONBALL

    CANNONBALL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i recall the hoo haa the boxing scribes made when george was wobbled by ken lakusta .... yeah,ok,for a split second GF did a funny dance but it was probably a mix of the best shot lakusta ever threw and george being lax and disinterested...all said,he was pretty impregnable when focused on his task....as you say-will
     
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Cant say greatest as he avoided some of the big punchers ... however he really seemed to want Tyson ... he took bombs from Holyfield and Moorer as well as Shannon Briggs, Savarese and Morrison ... pretty damn good ...
     
  4. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    George Foreman gets my vote........ Foreman's chin and heart was well intact....

    MR.BILL:bbb
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Tyson would have knocked him out cold in 4 rounds just like he did to old holmes. They said holmes chin was undentable, until he ran into tyson. holmes was never knocked down after that fight in 1987 despite facing some huge bangers throughout 1990s. foreman would meet the same feat.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But, the reason he avoided those punchers was not because they were hard hitting, but because they were not stationery targets. Old foreman was tagged more often than say an Oliver McCall, because he was just so unbelievably slow. I think that his chin was as good as anyones and very easily could be the greatest ever. I think that there are 5 fighters who could lay legitimate claims to the greatest chin of all time:

    1. Jeffries - Took massive punishment and was never even down until Johnson and never knocked out ever.

    2. Ali - Also took massive punishment. In foreman, it may have been from the hardest hitter ever, in Holmes, it was in a fight virtually without offence. Not even a broken jaw stopped this chin. Absolutely incredible. Only slight mark is that he was knocked off his feet often, but the ability to come back is unsurpassed.

    3. McCall - Ordinary fighter, but he has never been even off his feet, incredibile considering the fighters he faced and the level of ability he has. Against lewis he fought arguably the biggest puncher ever, with his hands by his side and giving him free shots and still was not even knocked down, let alone out. Could easilly have the best chin ever. Continues to fight without getting knocked down

    4. Foreman - Took unbelievable punishment, so much so that he won a lineal title, without barely being fast enough to land punches on a fighter without being hit 3 or 4 times. Was regularly hit by the hardest hitting punchers in the hardest punching era ever and was only ever stopped by the greatest fighter ever.

    5. Marciano - Never beaten and a chin that was never broken. Was down twice but never looked like getting knocked out. Most consider him to have a style where he is reasonably easy to hit so that is a magnificent effort. Since it was never dented we dont what it takes to break. Could very easily be the greatest chin ever.
     
  7. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure Shavers and Snipes proved that Larry's chin wad dentable. His chin was still great, but it wasn't on the same level as Chuvalo, Cobb, or McCall.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great P4P power or not, Fitzsimmons alone isn't going to convince me that Jeffries had the greatest chin of all time. He was originally a middleweight, and frightening, precise power or not Julian Jackson teeing off on Oliver McCall to no effect wouldn't impress me much either.

    Really, Jeffries had 22 offical bouts. How, in any sane sense, can you determine the worth of his chin in 20 fights when the best punchers he faced he had 40 to 60 pounds on?
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jesse Ferguson had Holmes going as well.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman learned to relax in the ring more(Archie Moore schooled him) and roll with the punches better ( that comes with age) and his stamina was better but Tyson or Lewis would have stopped him...he was carefully matched...but George had
    good whiskers just bad stamina when he was younger and as Vince lombardi said" Fatigue makes a coward of us all"
     
  11. leverage

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    Yea, I think so. Gerry cooney blasted him with a left hook that knocked him off balance but he shook it off. He also took stewards and morrisons best and stayed errect.
     
  12. AnthonyJ74

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    Do you think Ali had as good a chin as Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo, Ray Mercer, etc....I think Ali's reputation for having a concrete chin gets overblown a bit. He had good speed, mobility, and reflexes - all of which defused a lot of power from a lot of the shots he took. He never took sustained punishment like Tex Cobb or George Chuvalo did.....
     
  13. Flea Man

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    God, Big George looked disgusting in that fight. It's almost bizarre to see an old man taking such a beating.

    Also, people criticise him for fighting a load of stiffs around that time, yet if an older guy comes back now and gets a shot without building himself up people say he hasn't earned it.

    I think Foreman's comeback was awesome, and although he lost to Holyfield, he was competitive at times and took some beastly combinations. I don't think Holyfield could believe George was still standing to be honest. People also criticise the Moorer win as 'fluke'. If Foreman had the idea to throw a one-two (because as we all know you must 'think' before your body allows you to do so) then he deserves the victory. He may have been ********* and out-punched for many rounds before, but he saw an oppurtunity and took it.

    I almost think that's more impressive in a way. I don't think George was 'biding his time' as he put it, but I do think he saw an oppurtunity and took it (moorer was napping in that round)

    People also forget that Moorer was an undefeated two-weight World champ at the time and psychologically Foreman had to be strong to even be competitive.

    People lambast me for having Foreman so high in my HW ATG list, but I honestly think he deserves it. A destroyer in his time who was the first man to beat Frazier (and oh, how he did it) and a crafty, super-tough old man with renewed vigour, more defensive (clever as Hell Big George) but retaining the punching power.

    H2H a good fight for anyone in his Prime or as an Old Man. Not too many HW's you can say that about :good
     
  14. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    God I miss Tuesday night fights.

    I remember when they showed their last BEST OF epsode, I had seen most of them as they happened,.

    Big George and Lakusta.

    Witherspoon and Anders Ecklund.

    Bazooka Limon Pantsing Sharmbe Mitchell

    The Riddick Bowe Riot agaisnt Ellijah tillery

    Tyrone Trice making the refs recount the cards at the end of the fight.

    The Gaby Canizales vicory in which they traded knockdowns in the round.

    The Holmes squeek bye agaisnt ferguson.

    Anthony Hembrick dancing around like and idiot and then nearly being killed against Booker word.

    Great, fun fights.
     
  15. punchy

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    Tyson I think would stop George and Lennox would have destroyed the big man. George wanted to fight Tyson but he never talked about fighting Lewis.