The conditions won't be negotiated with Haye being a free agent: he'll have to accept some deal. His only option would be to break the contract and get fined. That's NOT the same bargaining position as being a free agent. I can't believe that the same people who blamed Don King for pulling this **** for years are now condoning it. If it was wrong for Don King to ask Wlad and Vitali to sign these kinds of contracts, then it's wrong for the Klitschko brothers to try and make Haye sign one.
Im confused as what exactly is so ****ed up with the contract. If Haye wins, he has to give a rematch. He wins the rematch, then he fights Vitali in his next fight. What is wrong with that?
You are talking out of your ass. It is specified in the contract that it will be Wlad and Vitali that he fights, NOBODY else. Read again. It IS a rematch clause with Wlad, and then a fight with Vitali for all the marbles. Like I said, exactly what Haye has said that he wanted for the last 2 months.... Just read it for yourself... this was from 2 months ago..... British heavyweight boxer David Haye could fight both Klitschko brothers as part of a sensational two-for-one contract being thrashed out by lawyers. Speaking to Setanta Sports News Haye admitted that the two-for-one contract was being talked about. He said: To be number one in the world, to be the undisputed champion, I feel Ive got to beat both of them anyway. Thats not a problem. I want to fight both of them. Its down to the lawyers now. London born Haye, 28, is due to fight Wladimir Klitschko at Stamford Bridge in June 2009. And Haye is confident that the fight will go ahead. He added: The purse split and the terms have been agreed. Its set to be the biggest fight in the world. Ive got what it takes to knock him out. Ive got his kryptonite. http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/02/...ossen-team-up/
Haye got the fight he wanted. Wlad didn't need Haye but Haye needed Wlad. Haye knew he didn't have the chin to win his shot at the title in the ring, so he had to take what he was given. Remember, it was David Haye who wanted this fight so badly.. Wlad and VK could make a ton of money just fighting their mandatories, and let Haye went in line and earn his shot. Haye wanted to skip ahead of Povetkin, and this is the cost of doing that. Haye didn't get screwed at all. He just is paying the price of skipping ahead in line. What ****ing leverage did Haye have? Wins over Enzo Shitteroni and an old Mormeck? Get the **** out of here.
Basically. Then Vitali will run off and sign to fight someone like Maskaev. You have gotta admire Haye in this situation.
Thats the way i look at it,if he's the savior of the heavyweight division like they say,this is exactly what Haye would want. I believe his fans just arent as confident that he has much of a shot at cleaning up the division.If this was prime Tyson or Holyfield instead of Haye,there wouldnt be any complaints from their fans because they would be a lot more confident that they could get the job done.
No ones "condoning" it. The fact it is that Haye has got a title shot after 1 fight at the weight and signed himself into 2 fights that he would have wanted to take in any case. Whats the big deal?
I'll eat cow here: the original post and the title suggested that this was an options deal. My mistake. I still think that forcing Haye to fight Vitali seems unnecessary (it's unusual to incur a responsibility to fight boxer A in order to fight boxer B unless a sanctioning body mandates it) but that isn't at all as bad as it appeared. At least no-one can now suggest that Haye is at all afraid of Wlad or Vitali.
I've heard of rematch clauses obviously but I've never heard o a contract that determines all of a fighters opponents for as long as this one would do if all the fights go ahead. This could prevent Haye from fighting anyone other than a Klitschko until 2011 or at least late 2010. Anything could happen in that time. I'm not saying he will, but for example, Vitali could lose his next fight and a fight with him wouldn't have the same interest or bring the WBC belt with it, someone might beat Valuev and want to unify or anything. Even if a re-match clause would mean that Haye wouldn't be available to fight Povetkin in September, he might have waited until after one fight but there is no chance he'll wait until 3 fights are completed before he takes up his mandatory challenge. If Haye wanted to clean out the division it's going to take longer now than if the Klitschko's didn't have these options. Haye-Vitali could have taken care of itself after Haye-Wlad.
Explain to me how David Haye will come out of this without a title. I would love to hear it. Hell, even if Haye was stripped of his IBF and WBO titles, which I doubt would happen... if you honestly think that those sanctioning bodies don't want to be apart of these 3 huge fights... explain to me how even if David Haye was stripped of his IBF and WBO for fighting Vitali...:roll:... exactly how would he NOT end up with Vitali's WBC title after beating him?:think Are they going to strip him too, for the hell of it? You guys kill me. You are OUT OF YOUR MINDS, if you think that the sanctioning bodies are going to strip Haye, and not take a piece of the money pie for the Haye vs Klitschkos trilogy.
I read the thread, I also read the excerpts of the contract. I repeat my question What is the outrage? The Klitschkos organized an excellent contract and Haye gets the potential to fight both of them and be Undisputed provides he wins the three fights.
This content is protected (obviously this is what Haye wanted. Stop being so naive getting caught up in more mind games from Haye)..... British heavyweight boxer David Haye could fight both Klitschko brothers as part of a sensational two-for-one contract being thrashed out by lawyers. Speaking to Setanta Sports News Haye admitted that the two-for-one contract was being talked about. He said: To be number one in the world, to be the undisputed champion, I feel Ive got to beat both of them anyway. Thats not a problem. I want to fight both of them. Its down to the lawyers now. London born Haye, 28, is due to fight Wladimir Klitschko at Stamford Bridge in June 2009. And Haye is confident that the fight will go ahead. He added: The purse split and the terms have been agreed. Its set to be the biggest fight in the world. Ive got what it takes to knock him out. Ive got his kryptonite. http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/02/...ossen-team-up/
overcourse there will be one title left but what the hell you gonna do about the other 3 titles we will not have an undisputed heavyweight champion for many many years to come thank you klitchko's you saved the day he could have fought wlad and done a rematch if he won then he should of been allowed to fight the mandatory and then finaly have a shot a vitali then we would of ended up with one supreme undisputed heavyweight champion of the world but not now so forget it