Did you see Marquez-Pac II? There is a very compelling case to be made for JMM winning that fight. And that he didn't get the decision in that fight doesn't change the fact that he then moved up to his 3rd weight division, and KO'd two of the best fighters there. He will be a clear and thoroughly deserving number 1 if Hatton beats Pac.
The fact that he had 4 excellent lhw's just above him for a number of years (Eddie Mustafa, Matthew Saad, Qawi and Spinks), and never showed any real interest in fighting there maybe? Someone as obsessed with money as you must see he would've made more money 1980-1984 fighting them than fighting Scypion, Sibson, etc. Hagler could easily make the weight at 160 and saw no need to risk losing so he never pushed it to go to lhw. You are very wrong.
Of course Hagler would've made more money, but it's a matter of reward/risk. We can only speculate as to how much more money Hagler could've made had he fought as a light heavyweight. Hatton chose to move up because he would've made 8-10x more money against Mayweather than some obscure junior welterweight. You honestly think that if Hagler had an opportunity to make 8-10x against a light heavyweight, then he would've declined the offer? You have absolutely no basis to call me wrong, because once again, you have nothing to back your argument up except for your swarm of cheerleaders and your lack of reasoning.
Rui, if you don't think that chasing a fight with the p4p#1 in a division you have no need to move to and are not as comfortable in is admirable, can I ask you as a boxing fan, what do you consider admirable?? Oscar's bank balance? Mayweather's earnings??
Yes, it is. That's the whole point. For all the money Hatton would have made, it was a HUGE risk. Hagler could have fought Spinks for big money in the early 80s, but he chose to wait for Leonard and co to move up instead, because he would have had a better chance of winning. He could've went up and fought Spinks for the cash then came back down to fight Leonard and co, BUT HE DIDN'T. Hatton could have waited for Pacquiao and Marquez to move up, but he went for Mayweather because the opportunity was there to be taken. For me, and it seems most other people, that is a commendable attitude that is not shared by every fighter.
If I were to pick something admirable about Hatton's career choices it would be his decision to leave Warren and his aplhabet soup fiasco. Fighting Mayweather was not in any way comparable to Hagler fighting Spinks or any of the other examples given; Mayweather was a former Featherweight and entered the ring much lighter than Hatton did. I'd have been much more impressed if Hatton had fought Cotto, Williams or Margarito at Welterweight; significant fights against full blooded Welterweights. Of course Mayweather is a better fighter than those (and arguably a better Welterweight), but the Hatton/Mayweather fight, for me, was another chapter in the semi-retired, ODLH-inspired money making 'marquee' circuit, rather than a significant boxing match for anyone other than Hattons fans or Mayweathers wallet.
I get your point but its kinda of rough. Pacquaio has knocked down the guy 4 times in 2 fights and just beat him.
No, I consider it admirable that Hatton decided to pursue a fight with Mayweather, but you're completely neglecting the fact that Hatton made more than $20 million, which makes me question severely his true intentions... Was it because he wanted a chance to secure his legacy as a great fighter or was it because Mayweather presented a fantastic financial opportunity? My pragmatic side thinks it's the latter. I would deem it truly admirable had Hatton fought someone like Cotto or Paul Williams at 147 as a tuneup because it would give the impression that Hatton wanted to make a real splash at 147 instead of just simply moving up for the cash.
You say Mayweather was a better fighter and a better welterweight than Cotto, Williams or Margarito, but that Hatton going for a fight with him was not as impressive as it would have been had he fought one of those three inferior fighters. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Hatton was moving up 7 pounds, not 15... Not to mention that it's not like Mayweather had this gargantuan size advantage. It certainly was no David/Goliath mismatch... In fact, Hatton was only a 2:1 underdog. Certainly not that big of a risk. Again, Hagler didn't move up because he wasn't offered enough money to make the risk seem logical to take. What exactly is the right amount of money? That's difficult to pinpoint, but certainly had Hagler been offered 10x what he was presently making, he would've fought at 175. And there were no signs during the summer of 2007 that Marquez or Pacquiao were going to be fighting at 140 anytime soon. Who else could Hatton have been waiting for?
Not a few pages ago you didn't. You're arguing with yourself. Try to remember which side you are on. :nut Had Hatton beaten Mayweather, he surely would have stayed there and took the big money fights with Cotto etc, but the Mayweather fight proved what the Collazo fight suggested - Hatton had no right fighting up there, he was not effective there. You would deem it more admirable if he had fought a top 10 welter for a tune-up? - Have you ever heard of Luis Collazo? - Why is it MORE admirable to fight another lesser opponent than the one he did face? Again, that doesn't make sense.
I agree, Hatton is big on the idea of 'legacy' sure money is important but he wants to be the best and to do it he had to try and beat the best. Although I feel Hatton is elite, Maywhether is a very very special talent.
I consider the move up admirable in the context of that move alone, but once you factor in the actual conditions under which the move took place, then I don't deem it to be admirable. And after Hatton almost lost to Collazo, he moved back down. What's so admirable about that? It's more admirable to fight lesser competition in the form of Cotto or Williams before a fight with Mayweather because it legitimizes one's true intent of actually being a force in the division as opposed to making a one-time move up in weight for a big paycheck.