What if the following fighters had been white?

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My uncles were at the Lastarza Marciano 1. They were rooting for Roland because he was from N.Y (Bronx) they all said Marciano won clearly the power shots and the KD made a big difference. Roland landed the same amount of punches but Rocky landed the harder shots and they all said despite Lastarza's better connections, Rocky deserved the win.

    As far as the Charles fight being stopped ...Blood looks worse on a white fighter than a black fighter(common sense) I think if Roy Jones was white they would have had to stopp the Calzage fight

    As far as him fighting Wallace (why would he have to fight him Charles KO'd Wallace and Marciano fought the better man. Does a black champ fight the winner or the loser. Marciano fought the Winner

    Valdez lost 2 times to Moore than lost hid last chance by being dominated by Satterfeild ( who was already KO'd by Moore and Charles...Again do you sugest that a black fighter fight the winner or the loser

    Baker was ko'd by Archie Moore and also Bob Satterfield in 1 rd. Saterfield was KO'd in 2 by Charles and also Ko'd by Rex Layne...Do you think Baker should have gotton a title shot before the men that beat him

    I think this type of weak arguement are they arguements that would not be brought up if Marciano was Black but there are a lot of people that can not see him being one of the greatest because he was not black

    Marciano fought 5# 1 contenders out of 6 and Cockell was a test for the nose and a Big fight for England and still # 2 contender. I would have rather seen Valdez but Valdes lost 4 in a row in 1953 to Gilliam,Baker,Moore and Harold Johnson, Moore beat 3 of those men and Charles beat Gilliam....I ask you WHO should have gotten the title shot..Should Archie Moore been left out would Marciano if he was black Not have fought Moore...LOL then we would really be hearing the naysayers now...Marciano was white, if he was black...I think a lot of people would be less critical..thats my opinion
     
  2. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they were all white then Charles would have been the first black heavyweight champ and would have received more love rather then being in Louis shadow to some extent.
     
  3. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your uncles are right but the many others who thought it could have gone the other way cant have possibly been right? Regardless it was ruled a close split decision and do you think a black fighter would have got the nod over an undefeated local white fighter at that time in a close SD??? Highly doubtful.

    That loss puts Rocky back a few years as La Starza is the undefeated white contender which puts him back in with the black conteners i mentioned rather than a champion and like them he has to fight through them, Charles and Moore to get a shot at the title.

    As for his nose against Charles, the blood is not the issue, it was the split. Blood wasnt obscuring his vision and in fact most shots ive seen show little blood, but the gaping hole is very visible
    Its not just a matter of transplanting his skin colour and keeping the same achievements, circumstances must change in accordance to the change in complexion
     
  4. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Police Gazette gives a belt to Peter Jackson, who then fights Sullivan (instead of Kilrain). I favor Sullivan to retain.
    Corbett may or may not rematch Jackson; he'll only do so if it's in the USA and for a LOT of dough. If they rematch, it could go either way. If they don't rematch, Jackson fights Fitzsimmons and that, as well, could go either way.

    Hart still is awarded a decision over Johnson. Jeffries waits to see if Johnson can get some good wins, pronto; perhaps as well there would be a Johnson-Hart II? Johnson has about a year to make his case for a challenge; else the Boilermaker retires. If Johnson-Jeffries happens, it's 50/50 who'd win.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Johnson had made the case for a title shot long before he fought Hart. The press had been crying out for it since the first Sam McVea fight.