Freddie Roach is an overrated trainer ...

I'll have to some what disagree with that. Look at Mike Tyson, man was a beast. Quite possibly the best actually, but when his trainer died we all know he went down hill

 

You should note that Mayweather Sr. provoked him to say this. Mayweather Sr. said, they will KO Pac in 5 rounds so he is just trying to respond. Roach all along said Pac KO Hatton in 9 rounds.

 

I think people overate the position of trainer

 

Watch Pac fight in '03-'04, and watch him in '07-'08. A blind man could see the difference he has made in Pacquiao. Seriously, how anyone can deny this just completely beggars belief.

 

Definitely i agree. I ve always thought that Roach was overrated.. He's certainly not on IGnacio Beristain's level who took two fighters from scratch ( Marquez brothers ) and turned them into world champions... ONe's a sure HOFer and the other is on his way to an ATG legend status...

Roach is fortunate to have trained fighters who were already good when they went under him..

Beristain > Roach

Roach is on Goosen's level.

 

how can the guy be over-rated when he has already produced 17 world champs starting with virgil hill?! that's why he's already in the HOF even if he's still active. plus, the guy was able to achieve all of this while battling parkinsons. these achievements have to account for something...

 

How he complete changed Pacquiao is nothing, huh?

He made a fighter who was one-dimensional into what you see today and P4P#1 to boot, not enough?

 

Beristain and Mayweather Sr are special trainers..

Roach and Goosen are just very good.

 

it's Roach himself who stated that trainers are overrated.

 

beristain implemented the wrong weight strategy for dlh to make 147 for the pac fight. he made dlh make 147 too early with still one month to go before the fight. he virtually shrunk dlh from a natural 154-lb fighter to a small welter for that fight.

 

I disagree that Manny was the finished product when Roach got him. He had the raw attributes, which any boxer needs, but Roach refined him and turned him into a technically elite fighter. Without Roach, Manny would still be a gung-ho slugger; with him, he's a tricky, slick fighter with excellent movement and perfect timing, and he goes in the ring with the right strategy.

I respect Roach, but he seems to have turned into a bit of an arsehole recently - with the whole Floyd Mayweather Senior banter and the disparaging of Hatton etc.