Better win: Leonard-Hagler or Duran-Barkley?

and not much support for Leonard and his cultist following, namely you.

 

I appreciate a great fighter who achieved an awesome win despite being at a disadvantage. It's as simple as that, Rooster.

 

I'm not blinded from reality, DINAMITA.

Let's analyze how much stick Leonard gets on the classic forum, compared to the criticisms Duran has to endure. Would not be remotely close.

People saying a lay-off is better than being active is one of the most bizzare things I have ever heard, and only came to light when discussing Hagler/Leonard. People change the rules to match their agenda.

 

maybe it's not as awesome a win as you try to let on considering what he had in front of him.

as an eye witness to the sparring seesions weeks beforehand I would know but I'm sure it's obvious to even you.

But you dont want to cheapen the accomplishment with the mention of his sub par opponent. I understand.

 

You can't really be surprised that when discussing Leonard, your credibility drops somewhat. You discredit everything the man has done, and make out like Norris beat a good version of Ray, but then say Hagler was done by the time Leonard fought him? It doesn't add up, Rooster. You've probably convinced yourself that what you are saying is true, but try and see things objectively. You just have an agenda against Leonard, not even smart enough to try and hide it, either.

 

Who is the more popular fighter has a barring on who recieves more favoritism. Duran is the more popular fighter, and that is evident when you have some fools claiming that Hagler suffered more because he was active. Makes me giggle every time I hear that one.

That victory is widely considered among the greatest in Boxing History, and you wouldn't find many arguments with that in the Classic Forum or on Eastside Boxing, in general. You're over-exaggerating how many people try and discredit the win.

There is nothing understandable about claiming Leonard was secrely active, and that Hagler suffered from being active.

We can only speculate.

The fact is, when Duran's victory over Leonard is raised, we all congratulate him on a magnificant win.

When Leonard's win over Hagler is brought up, we're all disputing who won the fight.

 

Selfkill. I must admit you are quite sensitive when it comes to Leonard. Not as much as Rooster is with Hagler right enough. I'm a massive Duran fan, he's my number one fav, but I voted for Leonard's win.

Here is my conclusion. I think no matter which win, Leonard's over Hagler or Duran's over Barkley's, it isn't concrete beyond any doubt surely whoever votes for which one. It's relatively close. I'm sure that can be agreed with everyone, apart from Rooster of course.

 

I'm not to sure how I feel about people referring to me as SK. I think I quite like it.

Erik went toe-to-toe with a peak Barrera at his most effective weight. I felt he came up short, but his effort was huge regardless.

 

I'm quite sensitive when people are trying to devalue Ray Leonard's best wins. There are excuses all of the time. Hearns was at his peak, Benitez was at his peak, and Duran had proved he was effective ar 147. He had no business beating Hagler, and the odds reflected that. People say Hearns was weight drained, Duran didn't train properly, and that Hagler was tricked. I say he was just the more complete fighter.

 

**** yourself, *******. :good