'Prince' Naseem HAMED vs. Barry 'Clones Cyclone' McGUIGAN @ 126

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, Apr 8, 2009.


  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Robinson and Cruz are the best you could come up with for "Naz's good wins"? :D

    The fact is, Naz's achivements were far more signficant that McGuigan's modest resume. I think the idea of McGuigan "swarming all over Naz" is a bit silly really, McGuigan is no Barrera, and he would have been **** scared of Naz's power, he might have hung on for the 12 like McCullough did, but there is no way that McGuigan wins this, no way at all.

    As for the nationality thing, the guys a British citizen, so technically he is British. If he considers himself Irish then fair enough, but for arguments sake its not incorrect to describe him as British.
     
  2. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    bollocks hoya,we can argue naz's 'record' all night if you want,i will come to the same conclusion,you are all not giving barry a shot,great fighter with a great chin,the kinda fighter naz hated,i was there in maguigans time, and after,naz's,more or less from the begining mate.
    by the way i was born in ENGLAND therefore im english,not british,its only polically correct idiots who say they are BRITISH,cos they are scared of being called err rasists:patsch
     
  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I don't see any evidence that McGuigan was a great fighter. A good fighter for sure, maybe on his best days he was a very good fighter. Great fighters win more than one world title, and make more than two defences. Great fighters win multiple world titles, at different weights, and make numerous defences.

    As for McGuigan having a great chin, well, his record certainly suggests so. But Hamed had amazing one punch power, and awsome KO record, so McGuigan's chin would be seriously tested. McCullough had a great chin to, didn't stop him losing a very wide points decision, and never getting anywhere near Hamed.

    I'd love to go through Hamed's record, and for the record, Cruz might just scrape into his Top Ten wins, Robinsion might make it into the Top Five. Certainly, Naz beat better fighters than McGuigan.

    If you were born in England, then, like it or not, you are British and you really don't have any say in the matter, the decsion is made for you by the circumstances of your conception and birth. "English" and "British" are not mutally exclusive terms. I was born in England, but I consider myself British. It has nothing to do with racism and political correctness.
     
  4. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    macullough was not in mc's leugue mate,hamad dident knock everyone out,as for me metioning robbo and cruz,off the top of me head love,but if robinson is in the top 5,just goes to show what class he was fighting.
    i aint argueing about my englishness to no one sweetcheeks,ask a welshman,irishman or scotsman there nationality,and yes it has everthing to do with this political bollocks and rasism,but lets not go there

    ps,in the eighties,you had to fight for a title with the best,and i belive pedroza was the best at the time,great win.
     
  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I don't remember McGuigan's fighting days, so I will have to take your word that he was better than McCullough (who was a good fighter in his own right, I thought). I would probably have Robinson just outside the top five, with Hamed's best wins as follows in my opinion:

    1. Bungu
    2. Johnson
    3. Kelley
    4. Medina
    5. Vasquez
    6. Robinson
    7. Ingle
    8. Soto
    9. Sanchez
    10. Hardy
    11. Alicea
    12. Cruz

    After that, mix and match. Molina was a good win, as was Belcastro.
     
  6. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whilst I believe Naz would've prevailed it'd be a desperate struggle for him and a better win than anything he has on his resume.
    Hate to use phrases such as 'massively underated' as boxing is so subjective but Mcguigans ability gets really short shrift here on Esb.
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Why do you think a win over McGuigan would be better than Naz's win over Bungu, or even Johnson? :think
     
  8. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Barry was more talented than Bungu,Johnson and even Kevin Kelly(though thats a close run thing imo. Loved to see a Kelly vs Mcguigan match!!!).
    Feel free to disagree but I don't think there's anything particularly contraversial in this view. Also Mcguigan is a tricky style for Naz with those long arms, boltlike jab, tremendous workrate and decent power.
    Mcguigan is often dismissed in contemptous fashion on esb because of his longevity whilst his ability seems to be overlooked.
     
  9. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    i remember watching the pedroza fight on a portable in a girls kitchen while my mate was fingering her in the front room,he came in and made us smell his finger:yep,arr the good old days:good
    sorry i was reminising there,
    i don't think hamed would have lasted with those 2 on that night,great fight :bbb,if not a bit fishy:rofl
     
  10. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol:WTF??? That is sooo wrong mate. Although admittedly I did tell Mike Gomez that while he was fighting Dean Pithie on Sky, I was punishing. I had to be very careful to explain to him that it was purely coincidental. This is in itself thread worthy..... I can watch a film and enjoy my lady but no way can I watch boxing.... just feels a bit gay.
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Any Barry Mcguigan is greater then anyone on Hameds resume head to head. Hoya-uk your a good poster.... but I disagree with you this time.
     
  12. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post, I agree :)
     
  13. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesus Christ Widdy:yikes

    Please feel free not to share your memories with us in future.
     
  14. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    I remember both their differing reigns.Naz was talented,but was better managed and fought in the four major belts era.That helps keep you at the top in of itself.
    Baz,also talented,beat a legendary fighter to win his title,Naz didnt.Also none of Naz's wins were against anybody of Juan Laportes Class IMO.
    Bernard Taylor,a gifted fighter,was ruined by Mcguigan's brutal beatdown, for me.

    The fact is; before the Stevie Cruz Las Vegas debacle,which ruined and ended Barry's career,he was a formidable pressure fighter who would have pressured Naz and given him fits.Especially if they weigh in and fight the next day.

    This is a 50/50 tossup for me;Prime Naz vs the Mcguigan of the Laporte/Pedroza fights.?.....tough call.
     
  15. tony mush

    tony mush Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he was born in ireland 2 irish parents aka irish citezen