Who would you like Victor Ortiz to fight June 27?

Not really IMO, He sure isnt ready for the likes of a Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt or any of the top five 140 lbs'ers.

That why I say its makes better sense to have the fight with Cherry...He's more of a gatekeeper of this division, makes better sense that trying to rush his career...He's still rather young and he'll have the time to fight top notch fighters.

 

Ajose is the best African fighter of all time, and would stop any fighter below 147..... including the granite chinned Sugar Shane Mosley and Antonio Margarito.

His manager posts on the Brit forum... Olu G. Rotimi - just do a search...... then try stop laughing.

Apparently DLH is a 'flat track bully' picking on smaller, old and shot fighters..... whilst Floyd is a bona fide ATG, who would give Ajose a very tough fight but lose a close UD.

It does amaze me how insular Americans are...... I did a European Glass Jaw thread for Rico giving 20 of our best fighters.... he hadn't heard of most of them, which I find pretty shocking.

 

I think Lovemore N'dou would be a good test he always is at least at 140

 

Exactly....Ortiz fighting Cherry makes perfectly good sense. As you've stated, Cherry will make Ortiz work unlike those other guys Ortiz has been facing.

 

it seems dismissive in a typically ring magazine fashion to say that because fighters are not on the mainstream press radar they are not formidible.

by your logic, guys like roman karmazin or carlos baldomir should have never been given shots to upset well known world champions because they were excellent fighters who were not popular...the degree of the logical fallacy seems absolute. i'm just saying.

that said, i understand your point that ortiz is a hot property and the best path for him to stay on television and stay well paid is to fight guys people have heard of...whether or not unknown fighters make great fights is another debate altogether. but, my point is this, perhaps, in the long run ortiz would benefit from a few lower profile, real, hard tests against lesser known guys before he goes barreling into deep water at the very top of the division. i know this won't happen, but how many times, over the years, have we watched this scenario end up played out to the detriment of a young prospect...yet the program never is questioned or changed.

remember guys like americo santos...who ended up looking terrible and losing to marteze logan on international television?

i suspect the hype will have ortiz in over his head in no time and probably losing a fight against a top guy before having to regroup, get the work done that should have been done before attacking the top of the division and head back into the fray.

 

He'd beat Holt, and he'd have a good chance against Campbell. It's not like Holt is a crafty veteran who has a huge bag of tricks though. He can outwork him, he can get inside on him.

The point was that he literally has ZERO name recognition in the US, regardless of how good he might be. Guys like Baldomir and Karmazin got their shots because they became mandatories, and that's what the ABCs are there for. I follow boxing very closely, I help run another boxing blog, I trade DVDs, I go out of my way to find championship fights that aren't televised in the US and I keep track of guys I've never seen but who I'd like to see, and I've still never heard of him. Not to sound like a *****, but if I haven't heard of him, I'm pretty confident that very few other people on this side of the pond have heard of him. And seriously, if he's so great, why hasn't he fought any good competition yet 26 fights into his career? I see he has the Commonwealth title, why not try defending it against a semi-decent British JWW? It's not like there aren't enough of them out there. I mean, he hasn't even faced a Colin Lynes level fighter.

I doubt HBO or Golden Boy would risk putting Ortiz in against a good complete no-namer unless he's forced to fight him. That's just how the business works. Doesn't make me happy, but I understand it.

Edit: I read your post again, and I now realize it was a bit more tongue-in-cheek than I initially thought it was.

 

I think Witter and Campbell might be to much for him..I'd like to see him against Petersen, or Witter..

 

I dont see that happening...Holt may not be a crafty fighter but the guy is no bum....He's a season vet and will take advantage of the young fighter...Holt can also bang and would likley KO Ortiz at this stage in Ortiz career.....Campbell will bully Ortiz and take him into deep waters.

 

I agree with you, Olusegun isn't up to much...... I was just joking!

I was pretty much at ringside for his last fight, a Commonwealth title defence of Scott Haywood (heard of him? - I hadn't prior to the fight ) and he took 7 to get rid, even though the fight was effectively over as soon as he landed.

I see Olu as a decent European title level fighter, ala Branco or Erdei.... not Kessler/Haye level, never mind Hatton!

 

Don't forget that Campbell would naturally be the smaller man in that fight. He could pull out a lot of tricks, but he doesn't have the best beard in the world himself, and it would be tougher for him to get away with bullying someone who's stronger than he is.

Holt may be a seasoned vet, but he's just not as good of a boxer as Ortiz, and if he fights like he usually does, he'll just get outworked. He'd have a puncher's chance, but skill for skill and tool for tool, the only advantages Holt would have are experience, size and maybe one-punch power.

 

Colin Lynes would school Olusegun's ass anyway, Brickhaus!

 

Campbell may be the smaller fighter but that will be a non-factor IMO given that Nate takes you out of your game plan....He's shown that in his past fights....Campbell defense is rather underrated IMO...Not saying is this defensive guru but he does do a good job of blocking shots and throwing brutal counter body shots..He showed you that in his last fight against Finaka (however you spell the guys name)

The thing with Holt is if he catches you...He has a good chance of KO you...Given Ortiz hasnt faced a puncher like Holt I seriously dont know how Ortiz will react to Holt's power....Trying to outwork him as you stated might not be a good idea for Ortiz...Ortiz sure isnt no Timothy Bradly and I do seeing Holt catching up to Ortiz sooner or later.

 

How can Witter be too much for Ortiz, if Kotelnik, the guy who Ortiz was supposed to fight, has already beaten him. :huh (yeap i know)

 

Please substantively explain how this is relevant? Ortiz probably has a bit lower workrate than Bradley, but he's a stronger puncher than Bradley, quicker than Bradley, has a more varied offensive arsenal than Bradley, a southpaw, and bigger than Bradley. No, he's no Bradley, but if the two fought right now, I'd pick Ortiz.

 

i disagree....bute and andrade took beatings from each other, and a few months later they were both in the ring...

back in the day, fighters would fight up to 6 times a year, beating or not :yep:bbb