Round scoring

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  1. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    If you were a referee and was to score a round in which:

    - A fighter lands 10 technical clean punches, not making many damage or impression on his rival

    - B fighter lands 3 big shots in that round, and his punches make rival hurt

    how would you score this hypothetical round?
     
  2. hmm

    hmm damn chairs Full Member

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    hmm says....
    I would go with B but it depends on your definition of hurt..... do you mean the opponent staggers, becomes dazed/ stunned, cut, bruised,nearly floored? (edit) If not, then I would go with A.

    10 light shots vs 3 hard shots..... key word is hurt
    1 hard shot can be more taxing than 10 light shots..
     
  3. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Those hard shots don't daze fighter, but they are very strong, clean and make opponents head clearly bounce
     
  4. Guidokz

    Guidokz Classic Psycho Full Member

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    its the judges who score the fight, not the ref

    but if i am to score this hypothetical round, then i'd rather give it to the fighter who lands a hurting punch than the fighter who punches in volume without making any damage..:tired
     
  5. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A connecting punch is a scoring punch no less, surely?

    Just because one guy is hurt more than the other it shouldn't affect the scoring of punches should it?

    I would score the higher quantity of clean, connecting shots personally.
    If the bombs are truly hurtful then the "bomber" should win by stoppage within the next few rounds anyway if he's doing his job properly.
     
  6. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Yes that is true, but many real time scores are considered controversial - very often because of the scoring judge preferences. Some like many technical but light punches over few hard blows. Im curious what are the ESB members preferences in round scoring.
     
  7. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If not being marked up by technical punches is all there is to winning rounds, then Librado Andrade would be #1 pound-for-pound on everyone's lists.

    Landing 10 punches and receiving 3 implies that the boxer with more connects was controlling distance, the pace, and whatever "ring generalship" is supposed to mean. If those 3 clean hard punches weren't enough for a knockdown, then it's not "effective aggression," because the other guy took the best he could throw. Those 10 light punches, however, are likely to show up as a slow swelling around the eye in a round or two.
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    WTF is a technical punch ?




    I would score the round for A (all else being equal).

    It's neither possible to determine that the ten 'technical clean punches' did no damage, nor that the three big punches , in your terms, "make rival hurt"


    If a boxer wants to be rewarded for the superior quality of his punches, then he should prove their superiority by either KOing or at least KDing the opponent.


    If boxer A were to land thirty clean shots and boxer B were to land three, one of which resulted in the only KD of the round, I would score the round for boxer B.


    And by a score of 10-8.
     
  9. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Technical punch - for examlpe light jab that scores but doesn't hurt much

    swelling would probably occur in later rounds, and the thread is about one particular round

    this is a hypothetical question and 10 to 3 punches are easier to verify scoring preferences

    no KD in round
     
  10. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    If the "big" punches don't cause a KD or seriously stagger/stun the "technical" guy (fighter "A"), then the round should be scored for fighter "A".

    How much damage punches do has a lot to do with the chin of the guy on the receiving end which isn't something which is counted in scoring.
     
  11. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    If a fighter is knocked down but clearly wins the rest of the round, then by the rules it should be scored 9-9.
     
  12. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It should, but when's the last time you saw that on a judge's or commentator's scorecard?
     
  13. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Exactly.

    I'm kind of surprised how many people are saying the round should be scored for fighter B.

    Maybe that's the natural gut reaction from most fans, but by the rules it should be scored for fighter A.

    People forget this is the sport of boxing, not a couple of guys fighting in a bar. A boxing match should be scored based on the boxing merits of each guy, not who you would think won if the fight was taking place in the parking lot.
     
  14. Pride In Battle

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    But it's how close the boxer is to winning the fight. If you'll excuse the comparison - Joe Calzaghe vs Mike Tyson. Joe would land a high volume, ten pitter patter punches and Mike would land 3 devastating bombs. After takings Joes shots Mikes head is clear legs steady - he is in perfect health. As for Calzags he is badly rocked and nearly hitting the canvas after taking three power shots.

    It is the same principle as to when a fighter falls. Although Joe would have landed more punches on mike all round, when mike drops him he wins the round. Because he is closer to winning the fight.

    I know by this point we have now discussed a 12 round fight with joe calzaghe and mike tyson but we are directly comparing 10 light punches with 3 bombs and the idea you have to refer to is how close are you to winning the fight.

    I thank you, I thank you:hey
     
  15. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    I take your point and you are dead right. All I can say is that the judges are wrong based on the rules, but boxing being the messy swamp that it is, no governing body will ever pull them up and tell them to re-read the rulebook.

    In the ten-point must system, you give 10 points to the guy who "won" the majority of the round, 9 to the "loser". THEN you are supposed to apply point deductions for fouls and KD's to those totals.