Some fool just accused Tyson Fury of padding his record with bums and Tomato cans when he just fought his 5 th pro fight. Personally I think Valero is the worst current active fighter when it comes to padding his record with tomato cans. In his 12th fight Valero fought a guy called Tomas Zambrano with a record of 0 (0), 4 (2), 0. That is the definition of padding your record with tomato cans. Compared with David Haye who fought an ex world champion and very tough customer in Carl Thompson in his 11th fight. Yeah he lost but the point is he stepped up and was not trying to con the public by padding his record. The question is when does it become not OK to fight bums for up and coming fighters?
For the record, Tyson Fury should never be compared to someone as established as Edwin Valero. Valero is a future pound-for-pound star while Tyson Fury is an unimpressive, clumsy, and overrated heavyweight with a cool-sounding name. Maybe if Tyson Fury was lucky, Valero would let him carry his spit bucket.
valero is 26 fights deep with cans and chavez is damn near at 40..i say after 15 you should step it up
Even with the exile from the US market (which should still be in effect), Valero's people had the option to put him up against good opposition in Mexico, Japan, and Indonesia. What do they do instead? They fight in France, Venizuela, and against no-names in Japan. His people have wrecked his career by doing this; he's not going to learn many new tricks or how to recover from big power with his age. Oh, and 10 fights should be the grace period for gaining ring confidence. Then you should be against veterans on their way out for a couple bouts, then other contenders.
Great post! Very reasonable critique of Valero and I agree with you about 10 fights being enough to learn your trade. If your unbeaten after 10 fights you should start focusing on fighting the best opponents in your domestic scene.
There is no limit. Fighting genuine Gatekeepers/Journymen is a good thing for some aspects...Just not making a habit out of it.... For one example ill explain, like when a fighter is moving to another division(Haye vs Bonin, Adamek vs Pianeda are good examples). In this case Haye and Adamek are top fighters, so when they moved up to their divisions, its acceptable for one to fight 1 or 2 journeymen at best to get more comfortable and get a feel for it. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you fight journeymen all the time(a good example would be Victor Oganov) than it works against you and isn't acceptable...
it should depend on ur amateur background and the confidence of ur team. sayin tyson fury is padding his record on tomato cans is dumb to say at the moment. but there shouldnt be a set limit...well maybe their should be cuz some fighters are ridiculous with it.
Mike Perez is fighting Javier Mora (22-4) in his 9th pro fight, staying true to his manager's word that his would step up opposition around the ten fight mark. A few rounds against tomato cans is only ok when a fighter is being eased into the pro game. After fight number 10 it gets a bit ridiculous.
By the look of it, the opponent for april 25th is another one on Ellis level. I think they should step up the competition a little after that.
It is so refreshing to read some fair, logical and sensible posts on ESB. But maybe what your saying makes sense when taking big leaps i.e. RJJ going from LHW to HW seems justified to me. However, do you really need to fight a bum if your the champ at 135 pound and you move up to 140 pound?
This is entirely dependent on how the fighter progresses and how often he fights. A fighter could be ready to move up after 10 fights or 20. It varies. There is no cut and dry answer to this question