patterson vs marciano late 56 or 57

even with Floyd at his best and Marciano at his worst Floyd would have been KO'd, I like Floyd, I knew Floyd and knew his family well, they thought he had a strong chance over Ali ( who they felt was overated) but Knew Marciano was all wrong for him

 

It would've been an interesting match-up. A young, determined challenger with a great advantage in speed but a suspect chin against a warrior on the decline who still had his punch.

Patterson vs Moore with Marciano on the commentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCUkqyfUjTU

 

Wow bummy...any stories through experience with his family? What did they say specificully about marciano? and what did they think of liston?

 

co-sign

I wonder in which period we can say that Rocky was in his prime...any thoughts?

 

I liked him in '53, particularly the 2nd LaStarza fight.

 

Floyd had a lot of respect for Marciano and they really did not see too many kinks in his armor, they knew it was the wrong fight for Floyd and Cus had avoided the move into Heavy if Rocky was going to stay, remember Archie Moore as great as he was, had a dominant loss to Marciano, and Floyd had youth and speed and Archie had just taken the worst beating of his life from Marciano....Liston was the wrong fight for Floyd and Floyd fought him all wrong, In the 2nd fight he made the same mistake...going right to Sonny. he faced his fear head on,he had the same problem with the flawed bomber Ingo, but the power was a problem for Floyd. and he could not really relax...What surprised me is the confidence that Floyd would beat Ali, they told me to bet Floyd...but Floyd had the injury when it got closer to the fight....Floyd landed well on Ali and it was the smaller heavys that troubled Ali....They wanted a 3rd fight with Ali and really felt if Floyd was healthy could beat him....They indicated that something was wrong with the Ali/Liston fights...I could not really figure out what they meant by that

Floyds brother in law was a tough,Italian guy (ex-fighter) who owned a restaurant and Bar...him and Floyd were like brothers and they used to spar together. I seen this guy KO a unruly bar patron who was a foot taller than Floyds brother in law and younger. It was one of the best clean KO's I saw...the guys legs were shaking like INGO's....

 

Just a point, If Marciano wins this inside of distance, it will be a (T)KO not a KO....

 

JOWCOL,

Sonny Liston beat floyd patterson twice by KO not TKO. patterson was down for the 10 count in both fights

 

I think Liston punched a lot harder than Marciano. Not only that, but Liston's fists were heavier and he had a much longer reach, allowing his fists more time of acceleration before connecting, which translates to even more power. You must look at it from a scientific viewpoint to see it more realistically. I think Rocky generated about as much power as Floyd.

 

Not sure on that, Marciano knock people out cold, broke cheek and teeth bones, and chip the bones of LaSarza, Patterson never show such power, sure the ko over Ingo in the 2nd fight was impressive, but Marciano more than often left them in worse shape, I dont recall Liston doing such damage outside of Wepner.

 

Hey SQ; I just always want to clarify that Floyd was ALWAYS rising from KD's, including Sonny's. I think the weakness of his chin is overstated. NO ref ever stood over a motionless Floyd and tolled "8-9-10 yer out!!" as has been the case with some HOF greats. Sonny had repeatedly said that he NEVER hit anyone as hard as he clocked Floyd and Ingo nailed him with his down the pipe Sunday shot. IMO lesser fighters took the Rock deep into fights. Perhaps a young 56 Floyd would have been too green. Someone mentioned a PvP matchup, say a 52-53 Rock vs. a 65-66 Floyd? We might have a decent scrap this one.
1) Patterson had adapted his style at that point a tad, was a little better balanced, and pulled back a bit from his constant swarming attack.
2) Chuvalo's certainly no Rock, but a comparison can be made. There was Floyd in the trenches, taking big body/head shots, staying erect and firing back. He simply outworked George.
Maybe Rock would always prevail but I don't see this as some sort of mis-match by ANY stretch.

 

I am not sure that you interpret punching mechanics corectly.

I dont think that a longer reach or heavier fist necisarily means more power.

I also dont think that the hardest punchers necisarily have fast hands.

I have looked for logical paterns in punching power for years and there dont seem to be many.

Oh and to complicate matters further power is only one factor in determining a knockout.

 

If Floyd gets knocked down by Ingemar then I don't see him having a great shot against even an old and tired Marciano. Eventually, he's going to get hit. That left hook is a weapon for sure, and Patterson was a great fighter and amazing athlete, so you can't rule him out, but I wouldn't favor him.

 

I would think Marciano would catch Patterson with a big punch and KO him.

It is an interesting fight though.