Could Hatton won his fight with Mayweather if the referee was not Joe cortez?

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Whent the hell did I ever say Hopkins was clever for holding? Hopkins is one of the biggest cheaters in the game. However, he is smarter about it than Ricky that's for sure.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Holding and hitting is against the rules. Putting people in headlocks and armbars are against the rules as well. Cortez broke up the action when that **** was going on, not when there was any actual inside fighting happening and not when Hatton was trying to hold when he was hurt.
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I think people would like to know how this ties in with Cortez' handling of the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight a few months later?
     
  4. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah i know cortez did a poor job that night.
     
  5. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why is it automatically assumed that anyone who is critical of Hatton's styles fervently supports Hopkins'?


    Enough with the nationalistic BS.
     
  6. Mrboogie23

    Mrboogie23 what the?? Full Member

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    No, he would have still lost. Maybe not a KO stoppage because Hatton was bothered by the ridiculous point deduction but I still believe that Mayweather would have beat him very convincingly.
     
  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Its nothing to do with nationalism, its because Cortez reffed both Hatton-PBF and Calzaghe-Hopkins within months of each other and handled the fights very differently.
     
  8. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What was ridiculous about the point deduction?
     
  9. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd was always going to win that fight, but Cortez's preemptive splitting of them up before they even were holding, was off, and it ruined the fight. Split them up by all means, but he was over the top...

    He let Floyd get away with plenty of elbows as well and a sort of neck choker he'd clearly been practising.
     
  10. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If anything, Cortez botched the officiating Calzaghe/Hopkins, rather than Hatton/Mayweather. Excessive holding and hitting and holding is illegal and completely different from 'inside fighting.'
     
  11. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was splitting them up before they were even holding.
     
  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Thats your opinion and fair enough but its still the same ref letting Hopkins get away with tactics that he didn't let Hatton get away with and people on here backing him up because Hopinks was displaying "ring generalship" when he was holding and hitting or some other half-arsed reason.

    Theres no way Cortez could claim he reffed both those fights consistantly and fairly, that was my point. Cortez knew what type of fights were likely to favour Hopkins and Myweather and thats how he reffed those fights. I don't think he was paid off, just that he was bit of a "homer" and obviously past his best as a ref.
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Perhaps Hatton ought to learn that you don't have to wrestle your opponent, grab his arms etc to fight "inside". There used to be a thing where a fighter would stand toe to toe and let his skills on the inside do the talking.

    Holding and hitting is bull****.
     
  14. chriswrench

    chriswrench Active Member Full Member

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    Admitedly, PBF beat Hatton soundly in the latter stages of the fight but it was competitive until around the 7th. The ref cannot be held responsible for Hatton's failings but there were some very dubious decisons such as:

    *Hatton being deducted a point when PBF had turned his back on him,
    *Cortez breaking the fighters at certain points when the hadn't even began to enter a clinch,
    *Cortez ignoring the fact that PBF was continually ducking under the belt line to avoid Hatton's hooks,
    *Cortez twice allowing PBF to clatter Hatton after a break before saying fight.

    These are just a few that stand out to me. There is no saying that the above may have changed the outcome but at least the fight could have been made fair. As for the Tzsyu fight, Kostya gave as good as he got in the clinches. The low blow was a master stroke from Hatton. He obviously thought that if Tzsyu had been warned twice then he may as well get one in haha
     
  15. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    There was no holding and hitting in the good old days eh?