The Reasons Why Calzaghe never faced a top fighter.

how do you define a better depth of competition though?

and don'øt you think people would show more respect for calzaghe if he took his shot against jones and hopkins when it mattered?

 

I mean he should have fought a greater volume of fights on the level of Hopkins, or just below. A few Glen Johnson or Antwun Echols type wins would look good on the resume.

He did try to "get his shot" against Hopkins. I know what your riposte is going to be before you even type it, "he should have gone to the US" etc, but the facts are Hop verbally agreed and then went back on his decision so its not as if Calzaghe was adverse to fighting him. This at the least shows Calzaghe was ready and willing to fight Hopkins.

 

PPV for a boxers finances undoubtably makes most sense financially ,and the USA is home to the biggest PPV market in boxing.

i agree with this 100%

my arguement for the last few years is money wise america makes sense for the elite few top boxers.

but exposure wise , this arguement IMO is long gone.
you can fight in europe and become a much much bigger mainstream star than you can ever become as a boxer in america at the moment.
this will remain the case until ABC/CBS/NBC come back into boxing.

american tv numbers are absolutley dwarfed and miniscule compared to the kind of tv numbers you can pull on the european continent with a klitchko fight being watched by 30,000,000 plus throughout europe .

big fight in europe is a national event and has national importance , with every type of media reporting , whereas boxing in america , say through newspapers is a regional event , with maybe a small section given to a reuters report or maybe a few seconds if any on the news.

 

exactly, all of those wbu title fights against tackey,vilces, phillips and oliveira was really starting to **** Hatton himself off, and he decided to do something about it. And yes its pretty obvious that Calzaghe is leagues ahead of Hatton in terms of skill. so if Hatton could do it, I dont see how Calzaghe couldnt?

 

Because Joe didnt want to... He only jumped ship when he stood to make more money than he was willing to pay Warren. ****ed up quite royally i may add. Hatton was no diffrent.

 

hatton made it much more plain to warren i think behind the scenes that he wanted big fights than calzaghe ever did.

i think calzaghe was happy to take the money and fight some of these non entities and spoilers that warren dug up for him , than hatton ever was.

i remember hatton v hutchinson , when hatton was clearly pissed off with warren and the fight , wanting to step it up, whereas i never ever got that feeling with calzaghe.

i agree with you calzaghe only left when he saw that the 2 fights left were easy made and warren was not needed.

 

Probable but Hatton had so many defences of the WBU to the point that you had to think he was in on the game too. The kid was raking it in and darn sight more than Joe who at the time was incredibly jealous of all the money Hatton was making at the M.E.N beating danish pastries.

 

he was an exprienced P4P light heavyweight champion was when calzaghe fought hopkins, :S me and you have argued about roy jones since i made that thread about jones before, ok before you start claiming that roy was a heavyweight great, where was Lennox lewis name on his record, the most notible champion there was at heavy when jones won, jones didnt want to even begin, and further more it was just for his talent, and another thing i was comparing hopkins best wins vs jones not calzaghe, read people post before critising them next time before you write such a backwards post yourself

 

klitschko being a heavyweight makes a big difference in that argument.

people who don't play golf know tiger woods and people who don't like boxing know mike tyson.

but i agree totally exposure-wise it doesn't matter what continent you fight on - unless you want to be known overseas.

remember that britain (for example) has hatton as one of it's highest profile sporting stars, but to the US, boxing superstars has probably oscar and that's all. lebron james and high profile stars guarantee that their sports ans stars keep boxing down below unless a major fight happens. and that's only for one night.

it's a completely different market and around the world sports stars are always going to dominate television. people like to 'come out of themselves' and live through someone else, be passionate about something without having to sacrifice anything themselves.

football might be a religion in britain but someone as charismatic and straight up as ricky hatton hitting mainstream popularity is a rare thing and his popularity has understandably snowballed.

a big part of his popularity is his following and that's crossed the pond pretty easily.

but remember that the reason hatton knew he needed to come to the US to get in the position he is now is that if he wasn't taken seriously there he would never get the fight he always wanted - and that was against floyd.

i never met ricky hatton in real life but if i had my life savings in my pocket right now and he said "give it to me and i'll give it back in the morning" i'd do it.

having the media build you up one on continent isn't a recipe for success or big fights on another. that's where fighters like witter (who will never be remembered), froch and sturm fall down.

 

Odd argument. Where exactly are you going with this? :think Jones fought Ruiz. Why did LL need to be on he's record? Did Joe face and beat a prime Hopkins or Jones? And no Jones wasnt a great heavyweight champ but a feat not repeated in a 100 years cosndiering Jones started at 154 isnt that bad going aye on his path to greatness no?

 

why do you thing roy was P4P for so long if not for his talent? without fighting formidible opponents like michalczewski, hopkins (prime) and the rest of the heavy's, because i always rated my p4p as the who's most dangerous and talented boxers and do you really belive roy's vicotry at heavyweight was the greatest thing in his career?, and do you belive roy jones has better career wins than bernard hopkins? and i agree from middle to heavy is a astonsihing feat, probally never will be repeated considering the size of most the heavyweights of todays era, and ofcourse it should be taken into account thats why roy's one of the great, but has his career wins been as good as hopkins?

 

hopkins biggest 'public' wins were tito and oscar. without them he ruled a poor divison just like jones did - but both were super-gifted fighters.

DM never got close to a hopkins fight because he played euro monopoly and thats his own fault....

but since you have tszyu as your avatar i'd be interested to hear a comparison from you, if you're up for it.

 

i am getting sick to the backbone of threads like this every single week, the sad part is their orchestrated by the same poster who just changes a few words to make them sound different

im sorry Krish i respect your opinion but its got boring

 

sorry i miss understood, you mean make a case for kostya or hopkins?

anyways lets start of by saying jones didnt just have 1 division, he went all the way up to heavyweight, correct? hopkins cazlaghe , both rulled 1 division for a long period of time, only when hopkins lost his titles he went up, roy was always moving up and down through weight classes, , bernard hopkins fought trinidad, who was already fighting at middle when hopkins fought him , Wbo middle weight champ oscar de la hoya, undefeated middle weight champion kelly pavlik, ring light heavy champion antonio tarver, not to mention winky wright, i named 5 of hopkins best wins to date; you name me roy jones best victory's and compare them to those,

i was also talking about how roy jones could of had a way better resume than he does now, tell me why roy didnt face the best possible fighters he could of faced in those divisions?

 

KingKrish yet again !

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Did Joe touch a nerv perhaps ? haha