Paul Williams On Espn p4p Top 5

Although a P4P list is only an opinion, I think it's harsh that Paul Williams makes such a jump on the basis of outpointing an inactive Winky Wright.

 

No Chad Dawson?

 

If you think pound for pound is a joke then you are unqualified to judge where Williams ranks

 

P4P is all myth and conjecture. It is fake. There is no pound for pound championship. It is all just a bunch of guessing and hype.

My point was Williams is one of the few guys that actually PROVE in the ring that he is a pound for pound fighter and that clown says he is not even top 10? That is idiotic. He will fight anyone from 147-160. He has proven his worth in the ring. Look how many people on the pound 4 pound list don't fight anyone or stay in one weight class or when they DO move up they get beat yet they still are on that mythical list. It is a joke.

Do you understand my point?

 

Top 5 seems a little premature.

 

p4p is not all myth and conjecture. P4P is just another way of asking who are currently the best fighters in the world. Its ****ing basic. People make it out like its some kind of magic spell.

Who's the best tennis player in the world? who's the best basketball player? who's the best golfer?

who's the best fighter?

or in the case of a p4p top10, who are the 10 best fighters

 

Do you honestly believe Ricky Hatton and Kelly Pavlik are two of the top 10 fighters in the World? :roflatsch

And yes P4P is mythical and conjecture by people on message boards and the Boxing media. It is fantasy.

 

no i don't which is why neither is in my p4p top10

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3822575&postcount=21

 

OK then what P4P list should I go by then? There are so many yet proving my point it is all myth and fantasy. Because ESPN has Pavlik in the top 10 and The Ring has Hatton in the top 10.

This is why it is such a complete joke and farce.

 

I think a P4P list can often be as laughable or on the flipside, more credible, than actual governing bodies rankings.

I have my own P4P list these days, and that's the only one I give a **** about. I think it makes hardcore fans feel involved.

 

Well I have Vitali Klitschko as my P4P #1 so I guess mine falls under the laughable category.

Thanks for answering the question in a direct manner.

:good

 

you should go by your own p4p list.

I have Vitali at #8 on mine.

 

1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Israel Vasquez
5. Shane Mosley
6. Ivan Calderon
7. Paul Williams
8. Vic Darchinyan
9. Miguel Cotto
0. Juan Manuel Lopez

 

Most people agree with having Pacquiao, Marquez, Hopkins, and Mosley in the top five in a few different orders. That being the case, I believe the case for Williams is actually pretty strong. First, I exclude Vazquez and Marquez at this point given their inactivity and questionable conditions in light of their trilogy. Thus, for me, it comes down to Williams, Calderon, and Cotto for the fifth spot. Calderon, though dominant for some time at 105 and making a successful (though ugly) move up to 108 does not have a win that is at the order of magnitude of Wright or Margarito. Cotto's resume is more impressive, but the way he was beaten by Margarito (suspicious or not) makes it difficult to rate him in the top five until after seeing him in with Clottey. Williams admittedly gets a boost under an application of a recency standard; however, that should not be focused on to the exclusion of his exhausitvely discussed physical ability, willingness to fight at a number of weight classes, and the like.

An off the cuff list for me would go something like this:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. Paul Williams
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Ivan Calderon
8. Chad Dawson
9. Vic Darchinyan
10. Ricky Hatton