Kessler vs Pavlik Who wins?

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  1. Taffyy

    Taffyy Active Member Full Member

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    OK....
    Kessler is strong & accurate with a very good jab. People forget that against JC he landed some great shots & a fighter without Joes durability would have gone , It was JC's ridiculous workrate that saw Kessler off that night & Pav does'nt come close on that score. I like Pavlik but I think his methodical clubbing style leaves him open to a good accurate puncher like Pavlik ,I personally think he would take some big shots when he comes marauding in & eventually would go......Just my opinion though & If I was that much of an expert I wouldnt be sat here tapping the keys on my shitty pc world computer.....:yep
     
  2. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Froch is tough and has an iron will...he is a true fighter. I don't think that he has the skill to win against Taylor though.
     
  3. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He wouldn't necessarily need skill to beat Taylor.
    Depends on many things.
     
  4. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    godamn right.

    you hit the nail on the head.
     
  5. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes it does - but its up to froch to prove it.
     
  6. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If Taylor stands and trades Froch won't need skills.At least not Pernell Whitaker skills.
     
  7. Taffyy

    Taffyy Active Member Full Member

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    I think Froch will plod him down & stop him to be honest , too big & too strong.
     
  8. Hermit

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    I've only seen the fight against Pascal and I'm not sold. Just my opinion based on limited information on Froch.
     
  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Just to pick up on the work rate comment: Pavlik throws up to 100 punches a round, so I don't know why you think JC is so much more intense.

    I just think the prediction that Pavlik will get KO'd is just totally at odds with the facts... I can see him getting outboxed, but not KO'd. People seem to think that a dominating performance = a KO. If that were the case, Andrade would have been killed in the ring.
     
  10. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but if taylor is going to do that he wouldnt have got props over hopkins, would he?
     
  11. Taffyy

    Taffyy Active Member Full Member

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    Far enough mate but I cant say I have had Pav down as really high intensity.....I think that JC's bursts are what does it to the observer & maybe its the flurries that give the impression of a higher workrate....???
    I do stand by the fact that I think Kessler stops him but maybe I'm just Biased as Im a fan of Kesslers....:good
     
  12. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stay on the board you'll learn something
     
  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Even so Froch is bigger,stronger,tough chinned,hard punching and will surely present a tough figth for Taylor who was knocked down by Jeff Lacy(yes I said it) and hasn't stopped nobody since King Arthur(not Abraham) reigned.
     
  14. THN

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    Kessler vs. Pavlik would be like Kessler vs. Andrade, not so dominant thou!
     
  15. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    B-Hop was able to catch Joe because Joe is aggressive and often leaves himself open. Fighters like Kessler and B-Hop don't do that - they have a high guard and an extended left arm to block punches. Calzaghe floats his guard around and dangles his arms about quite a lot, which means you can crack a hand through the middle.

    In any case, B-Hop was often teeing off with the jab before he threw the right, ie. throwing 1-2s. Pavlik can do that WAY better than ol' Popkins, let's face it: his 1-2 combo is one of his key assets. I can see Joe walking straight onto that jab and the right hand down the pipe, which he's extremely vulnerable to because he's a southpaw who jumps in on top of you and often leaves a wide guard.

    Your little inductive argument about Joe is certainly true; he can adapt to specific points in an opponents game plan. But as you say yourself, Pavlik isn't a particularly complex technical fighter. He has a game plan, like "back him up" or whatever, but it's a very general one, and not something you can just cut out with a few strategic adjustments. If you're vulnerable to the lead right from B-Hop, you can be quicker getting in and out, bring your left hand onto your chin more etc. But you can't really do much when you've got a big puncher exchanging with you all the time.

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    To summarise my points on this fight, I think Pavlik has a good chance. Pavlik's speciality is taking out aggressive fighters. He will always struggle with slick, tricky counter-punchers, but he's suited to dispose aggressive fighters par excellence. I think he could force Calzaghe into a war by coming forward, and in that event I give him an advantage with more power, as good a work rate as Calzaghe, a better chin and the devastating potential of that jab- right cross combo.

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    Yeah, Pavlik has no one-punch power.