How Important Are Belts Any more? Seriously?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Apr 17, 2009.


  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can someone explain to me why the IBF ( I think ) made clottey honor his mandatory instead of just letting him keep the belt?

    I think belts are over rated in 2009 it seems as if anybody can get one and the people who are in control of the belts make the fighters do stupid ****...

    maybe there is something I am missing in this whole thing..... The People (us boxing fans) should create their own belt and the only way you can get it away from someone is if you beat them.... The PBO (People's Boxing Organization) and everything is handled by voting on the internet... that would be interesting
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Titles are still very important. The names that matter in a division are generally the title holders. Holding a title is usually a guarantee of bigger paydays for a fighter. There are very few exceptions.

    BigReg just explaining in another thread why the IBF stripped Clottey.



    Even in history, titles are important.

    for example, alot of boxing writers call Pac a 4 weight champ because although Barrera was the #1 guy in his division, he had been previously stripped of all his titles.

    in comparison, OScar de la Hoya is often called a 6 weight champ even though at Middleweight all he got was a gift against Sturm and then got knocked out by the real champ, Hopkins
     
  3. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    Ask RJJ, he had like 8 or 10 belts at one point. I think he used them as his bling outside the ring too....
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pass the link to that thread... id like to give it a read
     
  5. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    They aren't really important anymore, to most fans. HBO has done a good job of pretty much not mentioning them at all anymore.
     
  6. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    titles dont mean **** ,any scrub is elegible to fight for a title nowadays .
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The PBO (Peoples Boxing Organization) Belt Would be the most important belt of them all..... anyone interesting in pursuing the venture with me... decisions are made by online voting
     
  8. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The sanctioning bodies sure find them important! Every mandatory they inflict us with is another payday for them with the fees and skimming off the top.

    Kind of like a protection racket.

    Until the belt-holders who are being gouged team up in a class-action lawsuit, the alphabet soup parasites are going to keep on sucking. The last time one was forced into bankruptcy by fighters' lawsuits, there were some minor changes conceded in the settlement. It's well past time to beat the alphabet soup into submission.
     
  9. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  10. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fighters find them important. It's still a dream for them.

    For us? Eh...I think you can separate a good fighter from a title holder.
     
  11. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134670

    It gives the explanation but it still seems petty. And, as I mention in the thread, it seems like bad business... why not collect the fee for Cotto fight, then put a 3 month time limit on mando enforcement? They may end up stripping the winner, but at least he'd have a chance to fulfill it.

    To answer the thread question: titles make nice comments in Wikipedia articles and help boxers get fights, but thankfully they don't truly determine legacy. Look at Pac/Hatton (IBO?? who cares?? nobody - it's the fight).

    A few years ago, some of the Tarver/Jones/Johnson fights came off without major belts at stake. BHop/Tarver wasn't for a big belt but everyone calls BHop (and Calzaghe, for that matter) LHW champs.
     
  12. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    I don't give too much importance if 2 fighters are fighting for a belt.
    I'm more concerned about the skill level of the fighters.

    Nowadays almost any fighter can get his hands on a belt if he's managed correctly.
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    we need to get the fighters and the fans on the same page.... the PBO can do that !!! the fans create the mandatories (by fights already happening) or anoint the title holders by online voting..... i wonder if this could happen

    the Peoples Boxing Organization is where its at
     
  14. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice thought, but beyond being a pipe dream it's also fraught with the same problem of fan-voted all star games. They're right part of the time, but less-deserving veterans always end up getting too much prestige.

    Boxing's organizational structure problems are currently basically unfixable. With the WBO now considered a "legit" belt (whatever that means), things have even become worse. The Ring belt, the "prestigious" one that doesn't even really exist, is now hopelssly compromised via GBP.

    Damn this sport can be frustrating.
     
  15. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the ring belts the only good one. the rest give fighters excuses to avoid one other