Haye will use Wlad's size against him and knock him out...

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Louis, Marciano, and Walcott would have done the same thing. A small target is difficult to hit, and if Haye can make Wlad miss, something Ibriganov did with relative ease who isn't half the athlete that Haye is, Haye will undoubtably win.

    Haye just has to contol his nerves and keep his right hand up. Wlad's jab and right hand will be taken out of the equation as Haye will duck those punches with relative ease. Wlad doesn't appear to have a good short right hook, and his uppercuts appear to be almost non existant, which will especially be the case in this fight where Wlad is too big and stiff to get low enough to land one.

    As long as Haye doesn't get wild, stand straight up, drop his right hand, or overall get off his game plan, he'll knock Wlad out. He'll dominate him on the inside, destroy his body, and knock him clean out with big right hands and left hooks.

    As Haye progresses, especially as he realizes that he can beat the most dominant heavyweight in the division in Wlad, and the one regarded as the most powerful puncher, his confidence will soar, his nerves will be restored, and he'll begin to resemble a throwback fighter from the golden age in boxing.

    I think Haye can do it, and it will be great for the sport.
     
  2. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    detailed analysis, but wrong in almost every department.
     
  3. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Look, these big tall guys are not what people make them out to be. You think that it's a coincidence that there weren't that many of them in 50's?

    Do you honestly believe that in one or two generations, people of Wlad's stature just magically appeared.

    The fact is, a big guy is dangerous because of his punch, right?

    But what if a small guy has just as big of a punch if not bigger than a big guy?

    Then you got a guy who's faster, harder to hit, more mobile, and hits just as hard.
     
  4. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    I'm not saying that there aren't any skilled big guys. Paul Williams is an example of what it's like to be a skilled big guy as he also has an uppercut that he uses extremelly effectively along with his other physical assets.

    Don't be surprised if PW turns out to be the next GREAT fighter.
     
  5. TommyV

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  6. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    those old school big guys were not nearly as skilled as wlad or lennox. wlad is no buddy baer, carnera or willard. if a skilled big man fights a skilled smaller man the bigger man usually wins.
     
  7. MrMagic

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    Thing is, he's not even near the level of these ATGs you mentioned.

    He will fall flat on his face.
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    That analogy is often made out of context. Wlad is big, but I don't see entirely too much skill. He stands relatively straight up, has hard hitting hands, but his defense is mostly using his height and size as an advantage to his opponents, most of which also fight straight up or are not in the shape that you would expect a professional fighter to be in.

    So, no I don't see much difference in the way Carnera or Buddy Baer fight in context to Wlad. They have very similiar style and stance, and are alike in thier gameplan in the sense that it's predicated...(is that a word?)...by a jab, straight right hand.
     
  9. 2chris7

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    i am no wlad fan an i am pulling for haye, but, the good big one usually wins. am with manny stewart in his corner he is a more aggressive and more disaplined fighter. his conditioning is no longer a factor so the deep rounds don't favor haye like they would have pre-manny. hayes best shot is to do some early damage and get in wlads head. remind him of sanders and brewster. remember, with this big of a size difference, wlad just needs one.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    The question is

    Is Haye's right hand fast enough and footwork good enough to land over Wlad's jab?
     
  11. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Haye's propoganda has you people dilusional. Wlad is a proven champion and will be remembered as an ATG. Haye hasn't done a damn thing, don't let his mouth turn you in to a believer. You people probably would have drank the kool-aid if Jim Jones told you to.
     
  12. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The analysis in the first post was a bit off...The main reason that big guys are hard to fight is not so much the strength, as it is the reach. They can use the jab to be far enough so that they hit you and you don't hit them. If they have power, well then that makes it twice as hard. The other advantage is when you get in close, the bigger man can muscle you around, hold you and lean on you. Draining precious energy in the process.

    Yes, Haye's advantage will have to be mobility. If Haye is not elusive, he can not win. Haye must be able to use his legs to get in range, fire off some fast big shots, and get Wlad out of there. If Haye allows Wlad to establish the jab, or keep him at bay, he's got no chance.
    Fortunately for Haye, he has the tools to do this. But, he does have to be on point all night long. One mistake and that huge right punch of Wlads can take him out.
     
  13. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Well put
     
  14. 1-Ton

    1-Ton Walking in the Light Full Member

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    Two things; you vastly underestimate Wlad's speed, both of hand and foot. He will be able to hit Haye at will. You attempt to draw a comparison to how Ibragimov fought Wlad, but you don't recognize that Iggy fought in a shell, hoping to counter over the top of Wlad's right hand. Wlad recognized that, and thus did not over-reach with his right.

    Secondly, you are asking Haye to fight a style that he has so far been incapable of; "As long as Haye doesn't get wild, stand straight up, drop his right hand, or overall get off his game plan, he'll knock Wlad out. He'll dominate him on the inside, destroy his body, and knock him clean out with big right hands and left hooks." If you have watched even a few of Haye's fights, you must recognize that he is simply not as technically responsible as you are hoping he can be. Haye relies too greatly on wide, looping power punches that consequently leave his chin exposed too often. Sure, he has terrific speed, and I expect he will land a few shots. But ultimately, Wlad, who is the taller fighter, the straighter puncher, and the more technically sound boxer will prevail.
     
  15. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    The common falacy regarding big guys in the past is that people assume they were clumsy and could not fight, but they rarely ever note that perhaps it was their opponents that made them look like that.

    Haye definitely has the ability to make Klitschko look clumsy and don't be surprised if Klitschko misses the majority of his punches, can't land his jab, and begins to run after he realizes how hard it is to hit Haye.

    For this fight even to be competitive, Klitschko should be in the gym working on his uppercut, and his inside game because Haye will get inside and when he does, he will land hard explosive punches that will make Wlad extremelly tenative.

    And when Wlad is tenative he makes for an incredibly boring fight as he fights as if he's terrified of getting hit. So it is possible that the fight may last longer than what it could, but that will be due mostly to Klitschko fighting off the back foot and completely unwiling to engage.

    Haye just can't get sloppy. He has to stick to his gameplan. If he begins to get comfortable and starts to chase Klitschko around the ring, he might walk into something. Hopefully Klitschko will come in this fight aggressive, but unfortunately that will get him knocked out.

    This is a game of cat and mouse, but many are mistakin who the cat is and who the mouse is. It's obvious to me, that Haye is a cat in a mouse's clothing.