Haye will use Wlad's size against him and knock him out...

Ponysmallhorse · Apr 17, 2009

marting said: ↑

For Haye to win this fight I think he should stay low and fight with a bit of caution for a few rounds. Klitschko's stamina is always an issue and Haye will find more opportunities if he can survive a few rounds.

If he comes out guns ablazing he might get lucky but he tends to punch wide and that would be a disaster against Klitschko. He needs to rely solely on straight shots. Those inside shots Sanders landed were mostly right down the pipe.

For Klitschko the gameplan is jab, slide laterally, jab, slide, jab. But I think the devastating punch against a right handed bomber like Haye is that nasty short hook that almost looks like a jab that Klitschko has recently developed. Haye is vulnerable to hooks.
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I don't see stamina is and issue since Brewster 1 fight.

BITCH ASS · Apr 17, 2009

Ponysmallhorse said: ↑

Even Lennox said that he never saw such big guy with so much speed.
And what elements does Wlad lacks to fight a small guys? He is better in this than 99% of tall guys. Beating shorty's is that what he does best.
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He hasn't fought any short men that can fight. Wlad lacks the offensive arsenal to deal with in shape, tallented short men that can fight. Guys like Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis in this case, and Mike Tyson's defense was designed to get underneath or block straight punches.

Mike Tyson especially was vulnerable to uppercuts, but this is a punch that Wlad lacks. People will be astonished at how hard a time Wlad will have landing on Haye with his straight punches.

Ponysmallhorse · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

He hasn't fought any short men that can fight. Wlad lacks the offensive arsenal to deal with in shape, tallented short men that can fight. Guys like Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis in this case, and Mike Tyson's defense was designed to get underneath or block straight punches.

Mike Tyson especially was vulnerable to uppercuts, but this is a punch that Wlad lacks. People will be astonished at how hard a time Wlad will have landing on Haye with his straight punches.
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The only guy from this list that will give fight to Wlad Tyson. Marciano(who is CW by today standards) and Luis who is great boxing but the guy from whole different era.

BITCH ASS · Apr 17, 2009

Ponysmallhorse said: ↑

The only guy from this list that will give fight to Wlad Tyson. Marciano(who is CW by today standards) and Luis who is great boxing but the guy from whole different era.
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It does not matter what era they are from.

Wlad's size apparently didn't give him a chin, did it?

Does Wlad hit harder than Louis? I doubt it. Louis hits just as hard as Wlad, yet is much faster, more elusive, has a better arsenal, and has a history of fighting bigger men who fight in the same style as Klitschko who is straight up and down.

Marciano who beat Louis, Walcott, and Charles, who's defense was several underrated as it was essential to his offense and why he went on to be 49-0, would be too elusive for Klitschko, as he would duck the majority of his punches, but unlike Ibragov for instance who also had great success avoiding Klitschko's punches, Marciano would have the balls to capitalize on Klitschko's mistakes and tearing up his body.

What answer does Klitschko have for a body attack aside from a clinch? His uppercut is nonexistant and he isn't limber enough to get low enough to throw one.

At least he hasn't done it in the past. Klitschko to me doesn't look much different than Buddy Baer.

CHEF · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

Louis, Marciano, and Walcott would have done the same thing. A small target is difficult to hit, and if Haye can make Wlad miss, something Ibriganov did with relative ease who isn't half the athlete that Haye is, Haye will undoubtably win.

Haye just has to contol his nerves and keep his right hand up. Wlad's jab and right hand will be taken out of the equation as Haye will duck those punches with relative ease. Wlad doesn't appear to have a good short right hook, and his uppercuts appear to be almost non existant, which will especially be the case in this fight where Wlad is too big and stiff to get low enough to land one.

As long as Haye doesn't get wild, stand straight up, drop his right hand, or overall get off his game plan, he'll knock Wlad out. He'll dominate him on the inside, destroy his body, and knock him clean out with big right hands and left hooks.

As Haye progresses, especially as he realizes that he can beat the most dominant heavyweight in the division in Wlad, and the one regarded as the most powerful puncher, his confidence will soar, his nerves will be restored, and he'll begin to resemble a throwback fighter from the golden age in boxing.

I think Haye can do it, and it will be great for the sport.
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I stopped reading as soon as I read those ATG with a thread about Haye. It doesnt matter what any ATG did in the past. Haye is not even close to that level

BITCH ASS · Apr 17, 2009

CHEF said: ↑

I stopped reading as soon as I read those ATG with a thread about Haye. It doesnt matter what any ATG did in the past. Haye is not even close to that level
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I never said he was an ATG. I was discussing styles, but he certainly has potential to be an ATG.

Ponysmallhorse · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

It does not matter what era they are from.

Wlad's size apparently didn't give him a chin, did it?

Does Wlad hit harder than Louis? I doubt it. Louis hits just as hard as Wlad, yet is much faster, more elusive, has a better arsenal, and has a history of fighting bigger men who fight in the same style as Klitschko who is straight up and down.

Marciano who beat Louis, Walcott, and Charles, who's defense was several underrated as it was essential to his offense and why he went on to be 49-0, would be too elusive for Klitschko, as he would duck the majority of his punches, but unlike Ibragov for instance who also had great success avoiding Klitschko's punches, Marciano would have the balls to capitalize on Klitschko's mistakes and tearing up his body.

What answer does Klitschko have for a body attack aside from a clinch? His uppercut is nonexistant and he isn't limber enough to get low enough to throw one.

At least he hasn't done it in the past. Klitschko to me doesn't look much different than Buddy Baer.
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well you are delusional as you can get. Luis hits harder then Waldo? He is faster then waldo? Have you seen him?
Marciano was really small guy. Smaller then a tyson. And i doubt that he can handle allot of punishment of big punchers of recent eras.
The answer to body punches will be hadshots. How long rocky can take them? I bet much less than wlad can handle body punches.

Superfuzz · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

It does not matter what era they are from.

Wlad's size apparently didn't give him a chin, did it?

Does Wlad hit harder than Louis? I doubt it. Louis hits just as hard as Wlad, yet is much faster, more elusive, has a better arsenal, and has a history of fighting bigger men who fight in the same style as Klitschko who is straight up and down.

Marciano who beat Louis, Walcott, and Charles, who's defense was several underrated as it was essential to his offense and why he went on to be 49-0, would be too elusive for Klitschko, as he would duck the majority of his punches, but unlike Ibragov for instance who also had great success avoiding Klitschko's punches, Marciano would have the balls to capitalize on Klitschko's mistakes and tearing up his body.

What answer does Klitschko have for a body attack aside from a clinch? His uppercut is nonexistant and he isn't limber enough to get low enough to throw one.

At least he hasn't done it in the past. Klitschko to me doesn't look much different than Buddy Baer.
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One thing I have noticed you don't talk much about is defense, and Wlad has pretty darn good defense. It is getting hard lately to even touch him. I'm gonna buy you a balloon to travel in so you can see the fight live in Germany, and you will get there all right with no trouble, with all the hot air you blow.

Your analysis of Wlad and Haye is just your own fantasies.

KobeIsGod · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

Louis, Marciano, and Walcott would have done the same thing. A small target is difficult to hit, and if Haye can make Wlad miss, something Ibriganov did with relative ease who isn't half the athlete that Haye is, Haye will undoubtably win.

Haye just has to contol his nerves and keep his right hand up. Wlad's jab and right hand will be taken out of the equation as Haye will duck those punches with relative ease. Wlad doesn't appear to have a good short right hook, and his uppercuts appear to be almost non existant, which will especially be the case in this fight where Wlad is too big and stiff to get low enough to land one.

As long as Haye doesn't get wild, stand straight up, drop his right hand, or overall get off his game plan, he'll knock Wlad out. He'll dominate him on the inside, destroy his body, and knock him clean out with big right hands and left hooks.

As Haye progresses, especially as he realizes that he can beat the most dominant heavyweight in the division in Wlad, and the one regarded as the most powerful puncher, his confidence will soar, his nerves will be restored, and he'll begin to resemble a throwback fighter from the golden age in boxing.

I think Haye can do it, and it will be great for the sport.
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Did u see Haye against Barrett? he was wild and badly outmuscled in the clinch? his workrate has slowed down and looks to have stamina issues trying to adapt to the new weight. wlad is gonna wear him down with his size and jab and take him out. Haye will be relegated to winging hayemakers. it's amazing how people have bought in this guy's hype.

All u haye lovers/klit haters...don't forget to show yourselves after your "savior' gets taken out :hi:

RUSKULL · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

Louis, Marciano, and Walcott would have done the same thing. A small target is difficult to hit, and if Haye can make Wlad miss, something Ibriganov did with relative ease who isn't half the athlete that Haye is, Haye will undoubtably win.

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Haye just has to contol his nerves and keep his right hand up. Wlad's jab and right hand will be taken out of the equation as Haye will duck those punches with relative ease.

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Wlad doesn't appear to have a good short right hook, and his uppercuts appear to be almost non existant, which will especially be the case in this fight where Wlad is too big and stiff to get low enough to land one.

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As long as Haye doesn't get wild, stand straight up, drop his right hand, or overall get off his game plan, he'll knock Wlad out. He'll dominate him on the inside, destroy his body, and knock him clean out with big right hands and left hooks.

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As Haye progresses, especially as he realizes that he can beat the most dominant heavyweight in the division in Wlad, and the one regarded as the most powerful puncher, his confidence will soar, his nerves will be restored, and he'll begin to resemble a throwback fighter from the golden age in boxing.

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I think Haye can do it, and it will be great for the sport.

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My answers..................

RUSKULL · Apr 17, 2009

RonnieHornschuh said: ↑

detailed analysis, but wrong in almost every department.
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Exactly, just another Klitschko hater on the new David Hype express train to nowhere.

RUSKULL · Apr 17, 2009

Superfuzz said: ↑

One thing I have noticed you don't talk much about is defense, and Wlad has pretty darn good defense. It is getting hard lately to even touch him. I'm gonna buy you a balloon to travel in so you can see the fight live in Germany, and you will get there all right with no trouble, with all the hot air you blow.

Your analysis of Wlad and Haye is just your own fantasies.
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Exactly. Sheer science fiction.

RUSKULL · Apr 17, 2009

Axe Man said: ↑

It does not matter what era they are from.

Wlad's size apparently didn't give him a chin, did it?

Does Wlad hit harder than Louis? I doubt it. Louis hits just as hard as Wlad, yet is much faster, more elusive, has a better arsenal, and has a history of fighting bigger men who fight in the same style as Klitschko who is straight up and down.

Marciano who beat Louis, Walcott, and Charles, who's defense was several underrated as it was essential to his offense and why he went on to be 49-0, would be too elusive for Klitschko, as he would duck the majority of his punches, but unlike Ibragov for instance who also had great success avoiding Klitschko's punches, Marciano would have the balls to capitalize on Klitschko's mistakes and tearing up his body.

What answer does Klitschko have for a body attack aside from a clinch? His uppercut is nonexistant and he isn't limber enough to get low enough to throw one.

At least he hasn't done it in the past.
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That is ridiculous & it shows your lack of knowledge.

mangler · Apr 17, 2009

Haye got a chance for a KO, but he's gonna have to get it quick imo. If the fight goes past 4 I don't see Haye gettin rid of him. Wlad just gotta establish range wit the jab and he usually does within that time. If he gets the left hand pumpin, he'll smoke Haye wit the right.

RightCross · Apr 17, 2009

Haye will get his pretty face busted in. I dont care how you break this fight down. Wlad will break him down and then knock him off his feet.

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