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Duran did box some of the Greats (Benitez, Leonard 3 times, Hagler, Hearns, Palomino, Camacho 2 times, Barkley, DeJesus 3 times, & Buchanan) BUT he had just under 50 bouts with boxers that were rated in the Top 10 at one time or another in his 119 bouts. Both Maxie and Greb fought a lot more top rated contenders.
Here's another look at how Greb did against the top fighters of his day Soldier Bartfield - 3-1-1 Jack Blackburn - 1-0-0 Lou Bogash - 1-0-0 Joe Borrell - 2-1-1 Bill Brennan - 4-0-0 Martin Burke - 1-0-0 George Chip - 3-2-0 Jimmy Delaney - 3-0-0 Jack Dillon - 2-0-0 Bryan Downey - 1-0-0 Tiger Flowers - 1-2-0 Allentown Joe Gans - 1-0-0 Mike Gibbons - 1-1-0 Tommy Gibbons - 2-2-0 Leo Houck - 3-0-0 Battling Levinsky - 6-0-0 Tommy Loughran - 4-1-1 Tony Marullo - 2-0-0 Al McCoy - 2-0-0 Eddie McGoorty - 1-0-0 Mike McTigue - 2-0-0 Willie Meehan - 2-0-0 Billy Miske - 2-0-1 Frank Moody - 1-0-0 Ted Moore - 2-0-0 Kid Norfolk - 1-1-0 Mike O'Dowd - 0-1-0 Owen Phelps - 1-0-0 Augie Ratner - 2-0-0 Jack Renault - 2-0-0 Quintin Romero Rojas - 1-0-0 Maxie Rosenbloom - 1-0-0 Billy Shade - 1-0-0 Jimmy Slattery - 1-0-0 Gunboat Smith - 2-0-0 Jeff Smith - 7-0-0 Roland Todd - 1-0-0 Gene Tunney - 1-3-1 Mickey Walker - 1-0-0 Art Weigand - 1-0-0 Charley Weinert - 1-0-0 Chuck Wiggins - 7-0-2 Johnny Wilson - 3-0-0 86-15-7 = 108
Greb beat Rosenbloom easily. In fact one paper said that Greb made an artform out of NOT knocking Rosenbloom out. Meaning he carried him...
Why do you have two draws for Wiggins and a loss to O'Dowd? The six twin cities papers were split straight down the middle as to who won the O'Dowd fight and only one Wiggins bout was a newspaper draw. The other (cant remember if it was South Bend or Terre Haute) called it for Greb.
I was going by who fought the better Opponents and who fought the most rated Opponents as well. When Maxie fought Greb, he was only 20 years old and Greb was a Veteran of 278 bouts, compared to 40 for Maxie. Also, Greb was in his prime at that time. Greb fought the better Top 10 opponents BUT Maxie fought more of them.
I don't like Newspaper Decisions. I have done years a research and I found that if I am from one town and your from another, my Newspaper man would have me winning and your would have you winning. Just a couple of weeks ago when Timothy Bradley beat Kendall Holt, all the judges had Bradley winning, BUT Keith Idec, who is a sports writer from Paterson, Holt's home town (and mind as well, I was born and raised in Paterson), had Holt winning by 2 points. If that was a Newspaper Decision, and you looked at the Paterson paper, they would have Holt winning that bout. On the bout with O'Dowd, O'Dowd won the newspaper decision. (Washington Post) According to the Pittsburgh Post all represented newspapers gave it to O'Dowd, who won clearly. It was a rousing battle. Greb was very aggressive but missed a great many punches. O'Dowd punched more cleanly and economically. His sharp rights stopped Greb's rushes time and again. Greb's best round was the 7th but O'Dowd had a big 8th round. It looked like O'Dowd had a 7-3 margin in rounds.
Very impressive aa few that saw the Flowers fights said he got the raw end of the decision in 2 of them..
I read the same thing. If you look at his record, Greb was a Great fighter BUT if you saw films of him, you might have a different opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItTXTExms&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO2dTnFl2Z0&feature=related
LOL those films are funny, but seriously watching greb spar his footwork is impressive, very fast light on his feet and moves well for a swarmer