A Discplined Riddick Bowe...

Im not really trying to defend him, nor did I plan on personally attacking Mr Magoo. He turned it into that. For some reason he thinks I believe Bowe accomplished more than Lewis. My feelings like Ive been posting all along, are the following:
1, Bowe became a better pro quicker than Lewis, as evidence by winning the title over what was considered the best heavyweight at the time, defending his title and then losing it in a close decision in the rematch to the very same fighter. This in contrast to Lewis winning the title from Tucker, struggling in his first defense against Bruno, and then getting knocked out by Mcall two fights later.
2, Besides Lewis, (which can be debated whether it was Bowe or his management) Bowe did not duck any other fighter during his accent to the title and after winning the title.
3. Bowes career was vastly shortened by his lack of discipline and ability to keep his weight in check, which became evident after the first Holyfield fight, when Bowe took large amounts of time off to visit Africa and other world countries.
4 In my estimation at the time the Bowe and Lewis fight was to happen Bowe would have beaten Lewis badly. I say this based on how Lewis performed in his future fights after winning the title.
5. Although not the same fighters, all the fringe contenders and former and future champs that both guys beat "handidly", all accomplished about the same in the sport as each other, some being better boxers, some being bigger punchers, but record wise and talent wise, they can all be grouped in the same category. This did not include a fighter on the level of a Mcall, Mercer, or Bruno.
6. Lennox Lewis did fight more of them, including an upper echelon of contenders such as Mcall, Mercer and Bruno, and established himself as more of a reigining champ and overall would be ranked ahead of Bowe in the ATG list.
7. Being a fan of fighting, I appreciated a fighter like Bowe who was willing to take chances against the better fighters and use all his skills from the inside and out, which was in stark contrast to Lewis, who I did not enjoy watching taking the safe route to most of his significant wins.
Overall I think there is a lot of people who share my same opinion. I dont see most of the people following this thread saying otherwise except you. Sure your opinion may be strayed by your disdain for a fighter, but this is a boxing forum, Im entitiled to my opinion, whether you agree with it or not. :good

 

Keep living in your dream world. It is impressive. :nut

 

Cut the crap
1 Bowe won the title from Holyfield yes due more to Holyfield stupidly fighting Bowes fight rather then boxing him . Bowe was undisputed for a short time then broke up the belts with his DUCKING of Lewis defending against third tier contenders then fighting and losing to holy in the rematch.

2 In one of most puncher laden HW eras Bowe suspiciuosly avoided/ducked most of them .

3 lack of discipline is a pathetic excuse and even the most most disciplined Bowe had huge holes in his game.

4 Bowe would have a small chance against pre steward Lewis His lack of defense and inability to handle a jab might see him destroyed against even pre steward Lewis.

5 Lewis beat the better class of fighters period nearly every legit puncher at HW was beaten by Lewis .

6 Lewis is a minimum lower top 10 ATG HW Bowe is lower top 15 If he lost the holyfield trilogy he barely makes the top 20

7 What chances did Bowe take ? he blatantly ducked Lewis by throwing his belt away.

You are entitled to your opinion however deluded it might be.

 

Ditto!:good

 

Read answers to your biased comments in the box above.

 

Seeing left hook get his ass reemed by everybody is hilarious :yep:rofl:hammertime:bananamaniac:ldevil:dance:arran:mj:smh

 

Now Maghoo lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Though you have made some outstanding points in this thread, I think your emotions got the best of you on this one. Bowe fought a Prime 6-7 years younger Evander Holyfield than the one Lennox fought. In both of his wins, Bowe won a wide unanimous decision over UNDEFEATED 29 year old HW champion Holyfield beating him on the cards worse than Lennox ever did, and in the 3rd fight he did something Lennox never did to a much older holyfield...He knocked Evander out. In both of Lennox's wins over a 37 year old Evander Holyfield(who could not win a trilogy over John Ruiz in his next fights).....Lennox was unable to FLOOR holyfield, not a good mark for a ATG puncher. Bowe floored a younger and faster holyfield multiple times in 3 fights, while Lennox could not floor Evander once and struggled on the cards in the 2nd fight. Who would have won between Lennox and Bowe? who knows, its a damm shame it never happened. Lennox gets all the credit for bowe ducking him though, and lennox showed he had his number in the past, so lennox gets the vote here...although Lennox did show he was capable of being upset near his prime by B level heavyweights with 1 punch.



I used to box in the same gym in Brockton, Ma with Riddick Bowe and Kevin Mcbride last year. I heard alot of great stories, watched them spar, they taught me a few things, and Riddick was a great guy. But you what, Lennox defintley deserves to be rated higher than bowe. Lennox beat better competition, had better longevity, better title reign, and he proved himself h2h against much more variety of styles than bowe did.

 

This is a fair arguement, although Bowe would have to show up at a razor trim 235lb.

 

Maghoo, you don't need to go there. I came into this thread with a very neutral opinion, and I think you both including LeftHook made some oustanding points defending each fighter.

 

Bokaj,

Didn't Bowe come into the first golota fight at 252lb? he looked real soft and flabby too me, about 15-20lb overweight.

 

Thats mean. why don't you edit that out before you regret it later.

 

Originally Posted by godking

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Cut the crap
1 Bowe won the title from Holyfield yes due more to Holyfield stupidly fighting Bowes fight rather then boxing him . Bowe was undisputed for a short time then broke up the belts with his DUCKING of Lewis defending against third tier contenders then fighting and losing to holy in the rematch.
He only won the title based on Holyfields stupidity. The second fight was a total outclassing of Bowe by Holyfield right?:huh The second match Holy fought like he should have in the first match and relativelly easily outboxed Bowe. Holyfield was the perfect opponent for Bowe A smallish HW who loced to brawl to much for his own Good.


2 In one of most puncher laden HW eras Bowe suspiciuosly avoided/ducked most of them .
Such as who? Please name who he avoided??? Again he won the title from the current undisputed champion who was considered the top heavyweight at the time

Morrison Tua i could name more Again Holyfield was the perfect opponent for Bowe Smallish loved to brawl and not a very heavy puncher.



3 lack of discipline is a pathetic excuse and even the most most disciplined Bowe had huge holes in his game.
BS not true at all.

Bowe had No defense and no ability to handle a jab even the disciplined best Bowe was outjabbed by everyone who jabbed with him and got 50 % connect rates against him by Journeymen Luckily for him his chin kept him alive


4 Bowe would have a small chance against pre steward Lewis His lack of defense and inability to handle a jab might see him destroyed against even pre steward Lewis.
So your saying Mcall and Bruno are leagues ahead of Bowe, and also could have beaten Evander Holyfield at his best?
Inability to handle the jab, in what fight? His razor close decision loss in the second fight to Holy, even though he won two of three.

As i said Bowe has a small chance against pre stweard Lewis.

And i am not going to waste my time pointing out Bowe glaring deficiencies again

5 Lewis beat the better class of fighters period nearly every legit puncher at HW was beaten by Lewis .
Overall with exception to Holyfield yes, although some of his better competition wins were questionable as well. Mercer and Bruno.

Bruno was winning against a young inexperienced Lewis Lewis still pulled it of . Bowe barelly got by an old Tubbs

The Mercer fight was close still Lewis won it


6 Lewis is a minimum lower top 10 ATG HW Bowe is lower top 15 If he lost the holyfield trilogy he barely makes the top 20
Agree, Bowe is not rated over Lewis, although Lewis is not in my lower top 10


7 What chances did Bowe take ? he blatantly ducked Lewis by throwing his belt away.
Read my post, Said he took chances in fights to to actually make them exciting which was in stark contrast to Lewis.

Bowe fights where exciting because he lacked the defense and foorwork to fight any other way. Lewis could either win a boring decision or destroy you because he was more skilled then Bowe

Any ''chances'' he took in fights are negated by the fact that he threw a belt away forfeiting his greatest chance at avenging a defeat to his olympic nemesis .


You are entitled to your opinion however deluded it might be.

 

Don't worry about it Suzie, watching this dude get all upset is more fun than having front row seats to Klitschko vs Haye, with a hooker on either side of me and free alchohol all night.........

Actually come to think of it, its not quite that good, but let's say it comes close..........

 

Did you by any chance mean that there

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plenty of nuthuggers on this forum?

Another ignorant ass. Anyway, my response to that is, at least Lewis had a set of nuts to swing FROM, as opposed to your butt boy Bowe who didn't have the balls to defend against a mandatory...:good