Hello everyone, as I said a couple of weeks ago, I had been planning to re-watch Jirov vs Toney. First impressions; my thoughts on the fight had not changed! Pretty sure that was the last time Toney was in good shape, and Jirov, despite a long layoff, pressurised Toney constantly. Now, I have a problem with the official scorecard, but I can also see where they are coming from. A lot of Jirov's pressure was sloppy and was met with the usual array of magic tricks from Toney. However, there were some rounds that Toney was woefully outpunched, and did little clean work (rounds 7 and 8 I think, though I can't remember for sure) Toney's fantastic performance in the last round where enough to earn him a 114-112 scorecard (6 rounds each, Jirov penalised one point for Low Blow, One Point for suffering KD in the 12th) Now, the official scorecard read a UD for Toney, with scores of 117-109 twice and 116-110. Does everyone agree that those cards are too wide? Minus the deductions of course that would be just three or four rounds scored for Jirov. Does anyone else has opinions, memories, or maybe their own scorecards for this fight?
I found my scorecard from the fight,here it is: Round 1-Toney 10-9 Round 2-Jirov 10-9 Round 3-Toney 10-9 Round 4-Jirov 10-9 Round 5-Toney 10-9 Round 6-Toney 10-9 Round 7-Toney 10-9 Round 8-Toney 10-9 Round 9-Jirov 10-9 Round 10-Toney 10-9 Round 11-Jirov 10-9 Round 12-Toney 10-8 Total:116-111 Toney
Toney won it comfortable. The low blow and kd didn't win it for him. Jirov was working hard but looking sloppy. Toney would defend against that sloppy work and then counter with great work. Obviously Jirov often came through with good work and tagged him to win rounds. The 12th round was the icing. You have it so close because you must really love the action that Jirov delivers.
All very good poits, but quite to the contrary, I love watching Toney do his thing. I just feel that some of the rounds that could've been close where Jirov rounds for his sheer activity, he was landing many ten or twenty punches more than Toney and throwing forty or fifty more. Of course, Toney's were sharp and accurate, and that's what I usually score. I just think it's a very close fight. With Toney winning. Seems you guys have it closer to the judges, which as I said in my original post, I don't nessecarily disagree with either :good
And the point off for the low blow, which means you have it the same as one of the official judges:good Guess I'm in the minority
Toney's interview after this fight wa sdreadfully funny..... Jim Lampley:''Listen to my for a second James,we're on tv''. Toney was looking up towarsd Chris Byrd Lampley:''Yeah I know that's Chris Byrd,HI CHRIS(waving to him),you wanna fight Chris Byrd?'' Toney:''Chris Byrd don't wan nothing of this.We can go right now dawg!'' Lampley:Would you give Jirov a rematch(asking for abour 5 times)? Toney:''No problem,no doubt''. Lampley:''Alright,now ......Toney comes and takes the mic:''HBO is Homeboys Only!''
I actually think Toney is done now, but would've been hilarous to see him fight Haye (I actually think Toney could last the distance, I don't think Haye could time him all that well) as the build-up (with Haye trying to intimdate him and Toney responding) would've been
Yeah I felt the fight was a bit closer, and the knockdown definitely sealed it, but some judges do take into account ring generalship, and Toney was definitely the general in that fight. He is fantastic to watch when hes on. His fight with Holyfield was also a sight, he made Holy look stupid.
It was closer than 117-109, I think I had it 115-111 Toney if I remember well. Jirov lost but he gave us a great performance in that fight, nobody can take that away from him. Jirov would have beat everyone else that evening (well not Holyfield or Quawi...), but not Toney.
I know I'm gonna be seriously in the minority here but everytime I've watched that fight(3 times) I've given in to Jirov by 1 point. Now I can't tell you the exact way I scored as in what rounds I gave to each fighter because it's been a while since I watched it and the fight is stored on my computer back in Ireland and not the laptop I have here(so I can't rewatch it for a while). But Jirov's workrate did it for me, he was consistently working Toney to the body all night and his sheer, volume and aggression did it for me. I do remember I scored the round with the point deduction for a low blow 9-9(as In I gave the round to Jirov 10-9 and the deduction made it 9-9). Which brings me to an irrelevant point about some people not understanding the '10 point must' system. I often see posters on the main forum fail to understand that the 10 point must is the way a fight is scored before point deductions(for knockdowns of fouls) are taken into account, and that if a fighter clearly wins a round but gets floored then it's a 9-9 round. Anyway I can definitely understand people having Toney winning the fight, but not by the ridiculous score of 117-109, that's just a pisstake.
Yes your right, he was years past it and Im a big Holy fan too, but Toney straight up embarassed him, and made Holys corner throw in the towel, something that still hasnt been done since the Bowe fight. I was hoping that would have been it for Holy, because he was really starting to put a black eye on what is an ATG career.
Embarassed?NO Beat up?Yes. And if he stopped then he wouldn't have won the title for a fifth time and become the oldest champ in history.Oh wait.....he did only he got robbed.
It was a pretty close fight. I thought Lederman was a bit TOO generous for Jirov's aggression at times, but it's true that for many of the mid/late rounds, he outworked him. From what i remember, Toney really poured it on during the 12th, scored a knockdown and pretty much sealed the fight with that. But as usual, James "Split Decision" Toney managed to be in another close one !