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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Good evening brothers and sisters of ESB.

    I have a challenge for you.... Rank these 15 fighters.

    Pernell Whitiker
    Roy Jones Jnr
    James Toney
    Terry Norris
    Joe Calzaghe
    Felix Trinidad
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Floyd Mayweather Jnr
    Shane Mosley
    Bernard Hopkins
    Winky Wright
    Naseem Hamed
    Marco Antonio Barrera
    Manny Pacioauio

    I want you to rate them twice.... once on there overall achievements taking into account their opposition, the titles they won, who they beat and who they avoided and once on how they would fair h2h p4p against each other on the best day of their careers....

    Hopefully I will prove a point... one way or another
     
    brown bomber, Apr 24, 2009
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  2. fenian 67

    fenian 67 Active Member Full Member

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    1. jcc

    2roy jones jr.

    3.whittaker

    4.hopkins

    5.mayweather

    6.trinidad

    7.barrera

    8.mosley

    9.morales

    10.de la hoya

    11.toney

    12.calzaghe

    13.naz

    14.pac man

    15.norris

    thats my opinion but probably a bit of bias as well.some of my fave ever fighters in there
     
    fenian 67, Apr 24, 2009
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  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Jeff anything for you. just done it quickly might research it over weekend

    Achievement

    1. Whittaker
    2. Jones Jr
    3. Chavez
    4. Mayweather Jr
    5. Hopkins
    6. De La Hoya
    7. Wright
    8. Trinidad
    9. Mosley
    10. Norris
    11. Pacquiao
    12. Toney
    13. Barrera
    14. Hamed
    15 Calzaghe

    6-13 were hard to do IMO

    H2H at their best weight

    1. Whittaker (Lightweight)
    2. Mayweather Jr (Super Feather)
    3. Jones Jr (Super Middle)
    4. Chavez (Super Feather)
    5. Hopkins (Middle)
    6. Toney (Super Middle)
    7. Norris (Light Middle)
    8. Wright (Light Middle)
    9. Barrera (Super Bantam)
    10. Hamed (Feather)
    11. Calzaghe (Super Middle)
    12. Mosley (Lightweight)
    13. Trinidad (Welter)
    14. De La Hoya (Welter)
    15. Pacquaio (Feather)

    really really hard from 6-15
     
    GPater11093, Apr 24, 2009
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  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I'd have Mosley and DLH higher on that H2H list.

    Mosley's opposition wasn't all that at 135.... but none of them heard the final bell, whilst of DLH had had some judges with eyes.... :lol:
     
    Beeston Brawler, Apr 25, 2009
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  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh but its so hard maybe there abit low but who do you kick down instead

    Jeff your a ***** making that so hard :twisted::fire
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I'd drop Norris a fair few places, ditto Wright but not as many.

    I am actually going to abstain.... being a fairly newcomer I don't want to make some ridiculous picks. For instance, Trinidad doesn't greatly impress me, nor does Norris - certainly not by comparison to most of the others, anyway.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Apr 25, 2009
    Beeston Brawler, Apr 25, 2009
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    ye maybe norris and wright abit high

    come on Beeston im newer than you
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    H2H

    1. Pernell Whitaker
    2. Roy Jones Jr
    3. Bernard Hopkins
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez
    5. Oscar De La Hoya
    6. Felix Trinidad
    7. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
    8. Manny Pacquiao
    9. Marco Antonio Barrera
    10 Winky Wright
    11. Naseem Hamed
    12. James Toney
    13. Shane Mosley
    14. Joe Calzaghe
     
    El Cepillo, Apr 25, 2009
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  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Newer on ESB yes, but I'd guess you have been participating longer than I have been watching on more than just a casual basis.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Apr 25, 2009
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  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Achivement

    1. Roy Jones Jr
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Julio Cesar Chavez
    4. Bernard Hopkins
    5. Oscar De La Hoya
    6. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    7. Manny Pacquaio
    8. Felix Trinidad
    9. Shane Mosley
    10. Winky Wright
    11. James Toney
    12. Marco Antonio Barrera
    13. Joe Calzaghe
    14. Naseem Hamed
     
    El Cepillo, Apr 25, 2009
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  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i have only been in to boxing properly like watchiong old fights for 2 years
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  12. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Morning dudes.... quality lists. Your right about it being tough to choose because there are some really great fighters on there.... I see Norris has been kept rather low.. That doesn't suprise me as at first glance his record is full of losses mostly by KO however he was unbelievably talented at his best.

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    He beat vincent pettway, paul vaden, simon brown, maurice blocker, meldrick taylor, carl danials, jorge castro, don curry, sugar ray leonard, john mugabi, buster drayton, jorge vaca, quincy taylor and steve little- unbelievable opposition by any standards.

    My list would be something like this

    achievement
    1. Oscar De La Hoya
    2. Roy Jones jr
    3. JCC
    4. Pernell Whitiker
    5. Floyd Mayweather jnr
    6. Felix Trinidad
    7. Manny Pac
    8. Shane Mosley
    9. Bernard Hopkins
    10. Winky Wright
    11. Barrera
    12. Terry Norris
    13. James Toney
    14. Naseem Hamed
    15. Joe Calzaghe

    h2h
    1. JCC
    2. RJJ
    3. Pernel Whitiker
    4. Floyd MAyweather
    5. Oscar De La Hoya
    6. Marco Antonio Barrera
    7. James Toney
    8. Terry Norris
    9. Shane Mosley
    10. Naseem Hamed
    11. Felix Trinidad
    12. Manny Pac
    13. Bernard Hopkins
    14. Winky Wright
    15. Joe Calzaghe
     
    brown bomber, Apr 25, 2009
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  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    So can we come to the conclusion that you don't like Calzaghe? :lol:

    Commenting on your lists Jeff...

    Achievements wise I would swap Mosley and Trinidad, Barrera above Wright, Calzaghe perhaps above Hamed - further thought required from me on that issue.

    H2H....

    I haven't seen enough of Chavez, but would certainly place Whitaker (and perhaps Mayweather and DLH) above Jones...... swap Hamed and Pac around, and Hopkins and Trinidad.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Apr 25, 2009
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  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    A p4p list is a p4p list. It takes into account both, primarily achievement.


    Pernell Whitaker
    Bernard Hopkins
    Roy Jones Jr
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Floyd Mayweather
    Manny Pacquiao
    Marco Antonio Barrera
    James Toney
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Joe Calzaghe
    Felix Trinidad
    Shane Mosley
    Ronald Winky-Wright
    Naseem Hamed


    I'm sorry I couldn't rank Terry Norris. Just havn't studied his career in detail, I'm not sure why.
     
    TFFP, Apr 25, 2009
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  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It's amazing how Hamed is better than Pacquiao H2H yet Pacquiao stopped Barrera and Hamed looked like a novice.
     
    TFFP, Apr 25, 2009
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