ESB British Forum ATG Challenge....

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by brown bomber, Apr 24, 2009.


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  1. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ACHIEVEMENT:

    1. Roy Jones Jr
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez
    3. Pernell Whitaker
    4. Bernard Hopkins
    5. Oscar de la Hoya
    6. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    7. Manny Pacquiao
    8. Felix Trinidad
    9. Shane Mosely
    10. Marco Antonio Barrera
    11. James Toney
    12. Joe Calzaghe
    13. Winky Wright
    14. Terry Norris
    15. Naseem Hamed


    HEAD-2-HEAD

    1. Roy Jones Jr
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez
    5. Shane Mosely
    6. James Toney
    7. Oscar de la Hoya
    8. Manny Pacquiao
    9. Marco Antonio Barrera
    10. Winky Wright
    11. Bernard Hopkins
    12. Naseem Hamed
    13. Felix Trinidad
    14. Joe Calzaghe
    15. Terry Norris



    NB: This was a ****er of an assignment; I found there wasn't much that seperated a lot of those guys.

    NB2: ten times as hard trying to do the H-2-H as opposed to the achievement; all those guys were brilliant in their primes (and in their prime divisions); I could mix and match the H-2-H for the next ten years and still not be happy with the outcome.
     
    D-MAC, Apr 25, 2009
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  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I'm finding it very easy to rip other peoples lists apart but very hard to come up with one myself that I'm happy with.:lol:
     
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  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Douglas stopped Tyson... was he a better fighter or did Tyson not perform at his optimum?
     
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  4. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    It takes ages doesn't it... lol didn't reaLISE
     
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  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Norris is higher on both my lists than he is on yours

    this was a ****er of a task

    i think any combination that we have had so far is good no glaring mistakes it just so ****ing hard

    but sorry Whittaker is top on both lists IMO
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  6. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Fair play mate... really like the fact you've taken the time to learn about the sport. IMO Whitiker was an ATG but slightly over-rated. He had a brilliant defence though.
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    whats that mean

    yeh Whittaker is great might be abit overrated to some people but i think H2H hes in the top 5 Lightweights and hes in the top 30 WWs and i think his achievments and wins are the best on the list.

    his defence is amazing i love it but i also like his jab its great
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I mean that you have taken the time to watch fighters from the 90's and looked for what they do well and not so well... Bearing in mind that you only joined the sport a couple of years back you should have no concept of the way the sport was back then but you placed all those fighters fairly accurately and got there prime weights spot on... Thats like what I did. When I was like 12-16 I wouldn't miss a thing in boxing... You could ask me anything about anyone and I could tell you a little bit about them... I could name every world champion in every weight division... I was a fanatic and I think you are too.. If you channel that the rght way and continue to develop other skills you will make either a very good boxer or a very good writer because you are learning all about the sport and the stuff that most people miss.
     
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  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    As for Whitiker... I loveed his fight with De La Hoya... he was brilliant and deserved the nod.
     
    brown bomber, Apr 25, 2009
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh boxings my life im always training or watching boxing and hope to become a top fighter but i know the chances are small but definitly think i can become a decent fighter and eventually i want to become a trainer and pass on my knowledge

    have only saw Whittaker in his LW days if im honest and his fight with JCC so what saw the ODLH fight
     
    GPater11093, Apr 25, 2009
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  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    What is Hamed's optimum? There is nothing to say his optimum was ever worthy of greatness, he never beat a great fighter, and when he did he was comprehensively outclassed. No basis whatsoever for saying he's better than Pacquiao.
     
    TFFP, Apr 25, 2009
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  12. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Hameds optimum was the Robinson fight.

    There were two list 'achievement' and 'head to head'

    Having watched them both at their best I feel Hamed was the better fighter H2H though obviously less consistant.
     
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  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    What I'm saying is that Hamed's H2H abilities are deceptive, when measured against fighters like Pacquiao that have fought and beat great fighters. It's a lot easier to look good against Robinson than Barrera, Morales or Marquez as Hamed found out. This is largely true for Calzaghe, also.

    Hamed never even looks more impressive than the Pacquiao of the last few years. He looks like a better dancer. Better boxer, no way. Hamed would never survive with Marquez he would have been schooled hard, he could never mix it with a Hatton. Tells its own story.
     
    TFFP, Apr 25, 2009
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  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    He took a prime, peak Barrera the distance though I do recall Hamd getting a mysterious flu before a mandatory Vs Marquez- u remember...
     
    brown bomber, Apr 25, 2009
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  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The Barrera Pacquiao beat was hardly over the hill at 28 years old. A whole 2 years later, and Pacquiao beat the guy up and handed him his only stoppage loss.

    It really is quite a good indication of their H2H levels. Especially in the context of their other achievements.
     
    TFFP, Apr 25, 2009
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