US fight fans...who do you respect most - froch or calzaghe

exactly thats why i respect him more as a man, he has bigger balls than Slappy.

 

Good post.

 

I agree with you entirely about froch v hopkins, however why do you think that a ring champion as Bhop was at the time joe fought him, used feign injury tactics and holding and elbowing.
Bhop was holding calzaghe so much in the fight I thought I was watching come dancing lol, he knew joe could out work him with punch output and pressure and the only way to nulify joes work was hold and feign injury to get points docked etc, hardly the way a ring champ should behave was it?
And the judges agreed that night.
Bhop didnt deserve to win and didnt but one thing has been shown, Bhop is far from the washed up fighter many labelled him after joe`s victory he smashed pavlik to bits and im sure would do the same to most who challenge him.
Maybe then people will see Hopkins wasnt quite as over the hill as many said when joe fought him

 

......ok then. clearly your not a calzaghe fan and your views are catered toward that. I dont agree with most of what your saying because it is manipulated to fit your views. You talk about respect-how about Carls constant calzaghe name dropping. Now i dont have a big problem with it but you could also look at the other side and say hes tryna make a name for himself using the calzaghe name etc.

 

Your spot on, and the reason Froch went straight over to fight taylor was just so that it would register with Calzaghe and that maybe just maybe joe would think that he was now worthy of a fight with him lol
What Froch needs to do now is forget about calzaghe and try and establish himself as a name and work on his apalling defence.
This is his time now and he needs to use this victory as a stepping stone to greater things, however I feel all he will continue to do is call out calzaghe and miss out on big name fights out there for him right now!!

 

Hopkins wasn't over the hill when he fought Joe, and he isn't over the hill now. But his stamina and thus his workrate and his ability to maintain a fast pace have decreased slowly but steadily since around 2003 IMO. Certainly he was not the same fighter in '05 v Taylor that he was in '01 v Trinidad. Of course he wasn't, that's just human biology.

Anyway, like most pro-Calzaghe posters you discuss Hopkins's tactics and attitude etc, he didn't "deserve" to win. Sorry, but that sort of thinking has absolutely zero to do with the scoring of a fight. Unless the referee penalizes a fighter for his tactics, the judge do not and cannot allow this to come into their thinking. Roberto Duran used to thumb and head fighters (see Davey Moore fight), but a judge cannot see that and award the round to the opponent purely because he finds Duran's tactics unsavoury. Tactics/attitude etc is the domain of the referee, it is not an area that a judge can allow to enfringe upon his objective scoring of a contest.

Did Hopkins take additional time after the low blow to recover and re-energize? Yes, I believe he did. Because he's forty-****ing-three and Calzaghe was setting a furious pace (just like Taylor did at points). But the referee did not penalize Hopkins - therefore this is utterly relevant in debating who won that fight.

On the basis of scoring each round as it comes on who did the greater amount of clean and effective work, I say Hopkins, though it was very close. 1 point margin of victory.

 

I dont think using Calzaghe's name is gonna help Froch. Maybe in the UK but not in the US.

 

So how many times in boxing news on the net do you see 'froch after calzaghe' or something like that. worldwide. Its rare to see an article on froch without calzaghes name mentioned! Anyway as i said, i dont have a big problem with it cos im a fan of both....just tryna show the other side

 

Clean and effective work hopkins when??? I couldnt see daylight between them for most of the fight, due to hopkins clinging on

 

If you couldn't see daylight between them and the referee (however infirm, err, I mean firm but fair) judged it legal then that only supports the view that his holding and hugging was both 'clean' and 'effective' :good

 

To be honest, I don't have much interest in debating with you because any post of yours I have read has been of a woeful standard. You're the guy who said Jones should move up and fight for the cruiserweight title now, yes? atsch

'Most of what I am saying is manipulated to fit my own views'? Think about that statement. It makes no sense whatsoever. What I am saying is my own view, I am manipulating nothing. IMO, Calzaghe fought an abject standard of opposition for 9 years, 1997-2006. Froch fought an excellent fighter in his very first defence. That is a perfectly valid point, whether you agree or not.

Carl's name-dropping?! :nut You've saved the best for last. HOW THE HELL IS TRYING TO GET A FIGHT WITH AN UNDEFEATED HOF FIGHTER A BAD THING??????? Calling out other fighters can only be a positive, that's what we (boxing fans) want, fighters to call each other out and get it on! **** me....

Oh, and how the **** would calling out Calzaghe make a name for Froch? You've clearly seen the recent interview with Joe and are merely repeating what Joe himself said, when you don't understand it. How would Froch suddenly become a big name and a great fighter by calling out Calzaghe and being ignored?

Did that work for Junior Witter when he spent years doing it to Ricky Hatton?? Fail.

The only thing that will allow Froch to make a name for himself is fighting a high standard of opposition and beating them. And so far as a world champ, he has done exactly that. Long may it continue.

 

There was not a lot of clean and effective work done that much is true, but what there was came from Hopkins only. The end of round 7 is a good example of this.

 

Puerile. Hopkins did land the more clean and significant punches of the fight, that much is undeniable to anyone with the gift of sight. :shock:

 

ohhh yes of course and the judging panel said hopkins twirl and hold was exceptional lol

 

Yawn. I'm away for the night you little tykes. Night.