Boom ba boom boom! The champ is here! Boom ba boom boom!

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  1. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    prime Castillo/Corrales > shot Morales/Barrera.
     
  2. dangerousity

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    Prime MAB > Prime Castillo, specially when it was Pac's 3rd weight class and was going up in weight and it wasn't a disputed decision, it was an ANNIHILATION.

    Past it Morales > green 1 dimensional Corrales

    :deal
     
  3. Danny_Rand

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    Do people consider MAB prime when he fought Pacquiao? Oh and any version of Corrales KO's Morales 130 and above.
     
  4. dangerousity

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    He was p4p #3 coming off wins Hamed, Ayala, Kelley, Morales & Tapia. Pac anihilates him. MAB goes on to beat Morales most convincingly who was champ at 130 and have a good few years run. What do you think?

    The only ones who dont consider MAB prime are haters (few of them) and die hard MAB fans who needs an excuse for their boy (selfkill) and some mexicans.

    Morales at 130 outboxes Corrales UD 12. Corrales is not fast enough to land enough punches on Morales, who had an iron chin and would not be KO'd with 1 punch.
     
  5. Danny_Rand

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    P4P rankings to come into it when it comes to when a fighter is past his best. Regardless,

    Corrales had no problem with the speed of a prime Casamayor who shot still gave JMM fits, so why would he have trouble with the speed of Morales at 130?
     
  6. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Back and still running from the welters:lol:

    "Margarito's gone. The coast is clear, Leonard. Can I come out now?"
     
  7. dangerousity

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    You mean when Casa KO Corrales or when he beat him by SD? :D Casa didnt have the toughness or height of Morales either.

    Corrales is a B+ fighter, Morales was an A+ p4p ATG level of fighter.

    How can a guy who was on a winning streak, younger than Pac & Floyd is now, came back on a winning streak after loosing to Pac, was p4p #3 be past his prime? What logic?
     
  8. Danny_Rand

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    Casa never KO'd Corrales. The fight was stop because Corrales mouth was cut and it was pouring blood. He was rocking Casa before fight was stop btw, and it was swinging in his favor. He won the next fight. Casa didnt have he touhness? He was only stopped once in his career. And was able to stop Katsidis, after being knocked down and unleashed one of the most vicious punches I ever seen to stop Katskidis.

    Morales A+? Hardly. I'd say A-. Corrales and Castillo were B+ fighters that both were better H2H against Barrera and Morales. Probably didnt have the pedigree, but easily could match both in the ring.

    And I retract my statement about Barrera not being prime. Alot of Pac haters have said this, and looking at it, it seems like bull****. However, I still feel that CAstillo and Corrales were better wins then Pac, and overall Floyd has beaten more high profile fighters then Pac.
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Regardless, who caused the cut?

    Morales is one of the greatest fighters to ever come out of Mexico, his resume is littered with top names, 1 of them none other than the current p4p king himself. At his best, Morales was 1 of the best BW ever and I think that makes him an A+ level fighter. Yeah H2H Castillo & Corrales would probably have had MAB & Morales...I thought that was given being that Morales & MAB best weight was probably 122/126 and Castillo/Corrales at 135.

    Hoya, Hatton, Morales*2, JMM, MAB*2, Larios, Ledwaba & Sasakul. Champ in 6 weight divisions, lineal in 4 accross 10 divisions.

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    Hoya, Hatton, Judah, Gatti, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, C Hernandez, G Hernandez. Champ in 5 weight divisions, Lineal in 2/3 accross 5, undefeated.

    To me that is roughly the same amount of big wins. I left out guys like Diaz & Baldomir because they were more 1 hit wonders. Pac's glowing positives are the amount of weight divisions his skimmed through, he's a freak. Floyd is obviously undefeated. Given that Floyd had top trainers training him since he was 2yrs old and his career carefully managed, in contrast to Pac's blue collar style rise to the boxing world coming from the slums and not really having had a great trainer until he was 22. I think its fair to say that both guys have reasons for loosing early or remaining undefeated.

    Both are IMO next to RJJ, the 2 most naturally talented fighters of their generation that would be a top fighter in any era. 2 years ago though, the mere mention of Pac possibly beating Hatton was a joke...even then he was in contention for p4p king...if he really does it, IMO he edges PBF. When PBF beats JMM, they will be even terms again and a fight between the 2 will settle who is the greatest.

    I respect the fact that you didn't go down the hating route of trying to falsify a belief of MAB being possibly shot. lol.
     
  10. Danny_Rand

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    Yeah he caused the cut, but its not really a stoppage, its not a complete victory. Same with the Lennox Lewis vs Vitali fight. Its just one of those things that happen in the sport you cant control.

    Being one of the greatest fighters to ever come out of Mexico doesnt make you an A+ fighter. Guys I consider A+ are guys like Leonard, Jones, Duran, Whitaker. You know, guys who displayed unreal ability, unreal skill, guys that your draw dropped watching them. Mayweather, Pacquaio, Chavez, guys like that, are A. MAB and Morales are A-.

    Good argument though. Off to watch the weigh in. :good
     
  11. dangerousity

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    Fair enough, you have a slightly different ranking system. I think Pac, PBF can hang with any fighter respective of their weight class in any era therefore I rate them A+. At worst I would have MAB & Morales A level fighters with guys like Hatton/Castillo being A-.