Maybe the ticking and skipping of the old reel to reel, made Moore seem faster than he actually was.:yep Just kidding, maybe you can post some examples.
McCallum landed a couple of good shots maybe but not enough to win any rounds. And he was the one who hit the canvas wasn't he? If Roy's chin is (was) so bad why didn't Roy go down? And yes I agree that Roy went easy on McCallum out of respect for him. McCallum edged a win in the first two Toney fights imo so he was a good fighter for Roy to shut out on the scorecards even if he was past his best.
I remember the fight too. Jones didnt really take it to him until the last round. Cant touch this.. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp55z0kzRNE[/url]
mccallum was landing shots he could have maybe got 2 rounds or 3 but Jones won it but i do think he troubled him with the over hand right
not saying jones would beat him, but those thinking jones would steamroll right through moore have not studied archie enouigh on film. Remember in all of boxing history, Archie IS the All time knockout leader, he was known for his finishing abilities. Jones had 175lb did not have a good chin, so this is a very dangerous fight for Roy. Here is footage of Moore in his prime you can make up your own mind [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItRJoAM48c&feature=related[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMPXHqGiB28[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF7wSmNaEW4[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCCWofkTYD8[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piw_ZD86f9E[/url]
I love watching these old timers on film. They all fight with their hands at their wastes and come in wide open. I dont think fighters kept their hands up until the 70's.
There's some nice Archie Moore footage there. I particularly like the finish against Harold Johnson. It's simply my opinion that Jones, using his footwork as his defense, would not give Archie the chance to use his finishing skills. On a slightly different note, does anyone on here think guys like Bob Foster, Ezzard Charles and Billy Conn would give Jones a harder time than Moore would? I'd be interested to know your thoughts. I think Charles probably comes closest of the three based on slick boxing ability. Still favour Jones to nick a decision though.
actually ur wrong here. I made a thread a while back. starting post 1940 fighters started to fight with hands high. Watch marciano, he always fought with his hands high protecting his chin, Same with Louis, Pep, Walcott, H johnson, Charles, Lastarza, Patterson, etc etc Archie Moore fought with his right hand protecting his chin in turtle shell, like hopkins...so technically his hands were not at his waist
So Roy was "prime, peerless" in early 2003 when he beat Ruiz, but in late '03 and '04 was so "shot" that losses like Tarver and Johnson can't be held against him in the slightest? That's absolutely ridiculous.
Personally I think the weight gain and loss had a lot to do with it, plus he was slowing because of age in my opinion. Im not trying to make excuses for Roy, but he should have retired after the Ruiz fight.
Only reason I'm bumping this is because Mulcahey just left Roy off of his Top 10 list at 175, and I went to youtube to watch Bivins - Moore. Here's the full list. 1. Ezzard Charles 2. Archie Moore 3. Michael Spinks 4. Bob Foster 5. Tommy Loughran 6. Maxie Rosenbloom 7. Jimmy Bivins 8. Billy Conn 9. Gene Tunney 10. Jack Dillon The rationale he comes up with is a good read. Very resume driven, which of course puts Roy at a massive disadvantage. There just comes a point though where it becomes possible to overthink things. Whatever "history" has to say, my eyes tell me that a prime Jones gives everyone on that list one hell of a fight, and probably clearly beats a few of them. Personally, Moore, Foster, and Conn are the ones I think would trouble him the most. Moore and Conn had the slickness to match him, and Foster's power would obviously be a huge hurdle. It's interesting that a terrible late career has relegated Roy from being one of the best ever to not even Top 10 at 175. We claim that we want fighters to challenge themselves, but at the end of the day, everyone loves a winner, even the "experts".
