walcott vs quarry....

I always said that Quarry would've been a monster for Marciano, but most people just blow me off there...... Quarry was NOT slick, and he hated slick fighters..... Quarry was in your face and toe-to-toe....... I say Quarry of 1969 thru '72 gives Marciano of '51 thru '54 a hell of a fight in a time machine.......
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Those don't do well against Marciano. Look what happened to Young Rex Layne when he tried that strategy. Quarry got brutalized twice by frazier in close, and frazier did not posess the two fisted power marciano did.

 

I never said Quarry would beat Marciano... I just said it would be a great fight....:yep

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No doubt! I'll tell ya this, I think one fighter quarry would have matched up great with was George Foreman. In fact I read that foreman avoided fighting jerry quarry, and seeing what quarry did to big sluggers lyle shavers and foster...I think quarry has a live chance against a tremendously powerful, but severely flawed foreman. Of course its possible foreman could blast him away in 3 rounds....Foremans a weird one. Sometimes I think he is superhuman beast capable of tracking any boxer down and destroying them and other times I think hes very overrated and would get outboxed by the better stylists in history. I suspect its somewhere in between.

 

I've heard that rumor too......... But I think Foreman would've KO'd Quarry within 5 rds...... Quarry was always beaten by the elite of the crop..... Foreman was flawed when young, but so powerful and strong, he made up for his shortcomings..... Only slick dudes like Ali and Jimmy Young could capitalize on it.......
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Quarry has no chance against a pre-ali foreman. he would end up like any smarmer - demolished like frazier so would marciano - swarmers trade up-close which is a bad move against a big puncher whilst boxers fight from long range and outta danger. i blame foreman's trainers for the stupid tactics they changed after his loss to ali (no other fighter had much chance) - they wanted foreman to fight like ali - never gonna happen but foreman went along with it cuz ali was his idol in his early days and he thought he could fight the boxer way and conserve his energy. You play to your strengths - foreman was a powerhouse and ali was the artist. any smarmer would be dead meat!

 

Well said

 

Foreman admitted he avoided Quarry. One of the reason was Jerry had a solid chin that nulified a puncher. Frazier had sick stamina and he started to wear Quarry down in a all out war and solid punching match. When you get a fighter that takes a solid shot it can nulify a puncher add that to a stamina proplem and I can see why Big George avoided Quarry, wrong match up...Frazier on the other hand was a slow starter who got rocked often and dropped early in a few fights before Foreman but he still got up 5 times vs big G. and Frazier was not in his top condition or form. Quarry was a guy that at 6 even and 200 lbs beat a lot of the Big slow punchers..Mac Foster 6"3 Ron Lyle, 6"3 ,Earnie Shavers,Mathis,Spencer,Alexander....Foreman had a good pedigree but Quarry was all wrong for him. Lets not forget that Foreman was protected and well managed but he had a very ,very padded record before Frazier....Whats makes Ron Lyle such a super puncher, he was not but he came close to doing Foreman in and Quarry already owned Lyle

 

Walcott was good, small for a heavy, and skillful. Quarry was not at Ali, Frazier or Foreman's league at heavyweight but he was on par with Patterson who was a champ in the 50s. Quarry woulda been a champ in the 50s like Patterson.

 

I tell you what Lyle and Shavers woulda killed a lot of the 50s guys - they had 2 stone on those light heavies. You ask Archie Moore in 1974 before the Ali v Foreman fight whether those 50s light weights would beat the big beast Foreman who was demolishing everyone if they had a chance - he would give you the biggest laugh ever. Archie knew the score cuz he saw the real POWER of Foreman first hand! (Sadler and Moore thought Ali had no chance and they both rated him way above Marciano as a heavyweight)

 

I dont know. He would have lost to both charles and walcott, a younger patterson beats him too, marcianos stops quarry in a great fight, Quarry would have beaten big guys like Bob Baker and Nino Valdez but would that have been enough to win a title? Maybe he can beat johansson...thats his best bet. I dont see how 1950-1959 he would have beat any of those champions though.

 

I have film of lyle and shavers plus all of the 1950s guys. Shavers was not a big heavyweight, just 6'0 205lb in his prime...not that big at all. Shavers would have blasted some of them out, but he would have also been blasted out many times as well. Valdez Williams and baker were 6'3 215lb highly talented heavyweights who could have laid shavers out, bob satterfield was a earnie shavers clone very capable of blasting out shavers, rex layne could have soaked up shavers punishment early and come back to stop him late, then you got fast slick guys like Archie, H johnson, Lastarza, machen, folley Charles who all could have easily outboxed him afterall 20-24 bob stallings did...and then top boxer punchers johannson louis liston walcott patterson all have to be favored over shavers and swarmers like marciano would be favored to tire out shavers or just plain blast him away early.....tough era for shavers.


Lyle would do very well against baker valdez williams satterfield layne and might defeat ALL of them, but this was the era with "Stylists defensive boxers" not a lyle forte. I can easily see H johnson, A moore, Walcott, Charles, Machen, Folley, even lastarza all making lyle look VERY bad. Lyle only managed a draw with a 35 year old lightheavyweight gregorio peralta.

Archie Moore said in the 1980s in his book that no man past present or future could slug it out with marciano and hope to come out alive. Dick Saddler picked marciano to beat foreman. Now this is just there opinion, but interesting none theless.

 

I agree with those who said Walcott by decision over Quarry.

 

they said that in the 80s. they were laughing at ali in the corner before the foreman fight. Amazing how opinions change after their man was defeated........

 

Big Dick and Sandy Sadler couldn't teach a dog to bark......... Two cheerleaders who yelled stupid **** like: "Get Him, George." Foreman was wise to bail that scene and hook with Gil Clancy in the 70s..... Later on it was good to work with Charlie Shipes...... G.F. actually learned something there........ "Moore & Dundee" were good on the team as well.......

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