Marciano vs. Norton

If any average poster posted this list and I was FORCED to comment on it, I would say it was unimpressive and I would not be convinced of the boxing knowledge of the man who made it. Tunney in the top five, but Lennox Lewis not even in the top ten? Holmes at number ten behind Charles as a heavyweight?

How much money would anyone here put on Tunney against Lewis? Or Charles against Holmes?

This list makes little sense either historically or as p4p ratings.

 

Goddamn right, man.......:yep:good

MR.BILL:thumbsup

 

Marciano would knock norton out soon after the first time he landed. Ali and holmes though solid punchers were not knockout punchers, and quarry, though a hard puncher, was a level below marciano in that department.

Norton was a hard luck fighter when it came to facing big punchers. His fights against foreman, shavers (whom he should have beaten) and cooney proved this. He just seemed to freeze up for some reason and a fight with marciano would've been no different. Marciano by ko within 3.

 

We went over this about Rocky many times before and I don't think we should do it again BUT.

Yes he did beat several Hall of Famers
Yes he was 49-0
Yes he had the Greatest winning percentage against Top 10 contenders and HOF.

BUT he fought only 8 different boxers that were rated in the Top 10, when he fought them, for a total of 11 times in his 49 bouts. Only LaStarza (2), Charles (2), Walcott (2), Louis, Cockell, Moore, Harry Matthews & Rex Layne were rated at the time Rocky fought them. Just to compare, 38 of Ali's bouts were against Top 10 contenders when he fought them.

I can add a lot more BUT I am in Florida on vacation right now and my wife is telling me to PLEASE get off the computer and come to bad, so I will leave it at that.

 

You know, it really ****' me the **** off when a poster attacks another poster's integrity, just because they beg to differ on a certain topic.... I have never ever bad mouthed Rocco Marciano.... BUT! I have been critical of him and his 49-0-0 (43) Ko's record... Still, I am a fan and follower of Marciano's career and story.... However, I cannot place R.M. up at the top in the all-time great list of heavyweight champions.... I can squeeze Marciano in the top-10 if I want to..... However, top-5? No way...... Cheers.....

MR.BILL

 

I just can't believe you put Vitali Klitschko # 6 on your all time heavyweight list. totally unworthy. also Wladimir klitschko in the top 10? he hasnt even beat potvekin, haye, arreola, or chagaev/valuev yet....let the man beat some good names before you include him.

 

That's just a matter of opinion...... I think the "K" brothers are the goods.... Especially older bro. Vitali.... Vitali Klit is downright scary, powerful, solid, rugged & good..... He's pretty much kicked-ass or made his mark against everybody he's ever fought.......... I think V.K. could hold his own in any era from 1887 to 2009...... He may not beat every goddamn champion over the last 122 yrs, but he'd be game throughout..... I give V.K. that much credit.........:hey

Wlad Klit is now safety first and cautious....... STILL! His technique and speed / mobility is above average for a dude his size........ Manny Steward has done wonders for Wlad Klit since 2005....... Wlad Klit is the goods right now.....:yep

MR.BILL:bbb

 

Off topic.... I have NO DOUBT that Wlad Klit will beat the ever lovin' **** outta David Haye come June in Germany......

MR.BILL

 

But the K brothers did not clean out the divsion, yet any way.

You may say Rocky did not fight as many rated guys, and that is true, Ali was more active, BUT Marciano DID clean out his era, and thats all one can relly ask for. I dont belive Bert's saying if Rocky lost, he drop him out of the top ten. Rocky was still the man, and still clean out the divsion. Either way he earn to be in the top ten. I have him in the top 5 personal.

Yeah Ali and Louis are 1 and 2, but than the numbers relly drop.

Does say Tyson should be over Marciano? Or Bowe? Or even Lewis?? I cant see it imo. Perhaps Lewis, but Tyson did not lived to his name loseing to Douglas, Bowe was a one champ wonder, Holyfiled was inconsisted, Holmes didnt fight the best, and had TOOO many 11-0 type guys on his record. I take the 5 title defenses over Walcott, Moore and Charles, over the Beys of the divison any time, Holmes also never clean out the divsion.

Even with a loss, Rocky should be there for cleaning out his era, and being the man.

 

Well... As a true champion..... NO! "Tyson & Bowe" are Not in Marciano's class...... Not even close............. BUT! In a time machine; prime-4-prime; I'd pick BOTH Tyson and Bowe to clean Marciano's clock in a fight..... Fighting and Class are two different things.......

LOOK! Fellas, I love to pick on Riddick Bowe... Why? because he's a stupid slob....... However, the Bowe who weighed 235 pounds for Holy in 1992 was a very well trained and dangerous mother-****er...... That was his ONE night he put it all together in the ring........ In a time machine, that version of Bowe would've beaten 99% of all the prior champs leading up to 1992........ Too bad Bowe couldn't maintain his focus and direction....

MR.BILL

 

Not sure on that, I mean we can never know if Tyson would beat Rock or vice vesa, hench why I dont relly used head to head imo.

I mean I was pretty sure Zab would beat Baldomir, I was pretty sure Tyson would walk though Douglas in a few rounds.
And Holyfiled by the way.

Hell the first time, I would have though there was NO way in Hell Rahman would ko Lewis.

Should Rocky relly be drop because we THINK or guess he might lose to Bowe?? It would be a great fight, and both would show there best, but we have no ideal who would win.

Hell for all we know Bowe might have beating Rocky, Louis and Dempsey on the same night one right after the other when he beat Holyfiled. All with first round kos, but we dont know.

 

Dempsey,

Check through your wording.... You lost me there... But I think I hear and see your point....

MR.BILL

 

Better..

I got "Bowe-Holy 2" rolling just to judge how Bowe had dipped in a mere single year...... Jesus.......

MR.BILL

 

I caught my self when I hit the send button.

When I made the Dempsey name. At the time I had Dempsey in the top 3. He look impressive vs Willard, Firpo and others. And the million $ gates. I belive in the myth.
But when relly thinking about it, Bert Suger relly rated Dempsey WAY too high. As high as I used to.

He gets drop for failing to face his number 1 and 2 for 7 long years. I know pople say Wills lost to Sharkey ete, but 7 years as number 1 is a long time. Marciano only had Valez slip in and out for a few months in 54, and 55, and people make a big deal on that.
But Wills had 7 years.

2nd outside of Gibbions, he didnt relly face top HEAVYWEIGHTs contenders. I mean what did George do in the heavyweights before he face Dempsey?? I commend him for his lightheayweight run. But it was still a easy picking for Dempsey. Firpo did hardly anything for a title shot outside of beating 47 year old Willard(Underated fighter imo)
But the worse part is the lay offs. No Champion did what Dempsey did and gets rated high. Dempsey did it.
Defends the title for a year, makes his first million $ gate, and fails to fight for 2 years about. Fights Gibbions and Firpo, and 3 years. Than Gene Tunney.

Thats nearly 5 years inactive in a 7 year span. Dempsey should have face Wills if anything in his inactive years.

I am almost temped in dropping Dempsey outside the top ten, but something holds me there from doing that.