At what weight would Mayweather have to beat Pacquiao to become p4p No.1?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, May 3, 2009.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    ...because, clearly, if the weight at which they had to weigh-in at is anything close to 147 lbs, even if Mayweather KOed Pacman in 1, it wouldn't make him anything close to the p4p No.1...

    ...if you think it would, ask yourself, would Pavlik have become the p4p No.1 by beating Mayweather at 159 lbs, before Mayweather retired? Of course not.

    So, please vote. Let's sort out the vile Mayweather nuthuggers from the respectable Mayweather fans.
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    For me, it's 140 lbs and not a lb above.

    If Mayweather wants to become p4p No.1 in any other way, he needs to beat the top WWs, and then Williams at 154 lbs and then Pavlik at 158 lbs or above.
     
  3. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,935
    92
    Aug 21, 2008
    I'd love to see the fight happen at 140. That way it could be for the lineal recognition at that weight. In fact, given that it's still under 147 pounds, it could be for the lineal recognition at both 140 and 147 - wouldn't that be something! (or is Mayweather not still recognized as lineal champ at 147?). 140 would be about the ideal weight for them to fight right now anyway, IMO.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    I should have made the poll starting at 135, because Pacquiao is a 135 fighter fighting at 140...(he weighed in at 138 lbs, after a good breakfast, with a little bit of fat on him, lest we forget).

    I'm officially changing my vote to 135 lbs, though, granted, anything under and including 140 lbs would be just about acceptable as an answer, imo.:good
     
  5. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

    4,452
    4
    Dec 5, 2006
    The weight will make little difference at this point. Both ATG's have grown into their weight classes comfortably, they give it their all in the gym, and will be totally prepared. 140 or 147 it would be a classic.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    The weight makes 100% difference to the question I asked; it doesn't take a genius to figure out why either...
     
  7. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,018
    16
    Jan 4, 2007
    Floyd will try to make it at a higher weight, and punk out if he can't get it.
     
  8. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,874
    Apr 30, 2006
    Anything 144 or below for me. I'd even give it to Floyd at 147 if he dominated. I don't think he will, that's just what it'd take. Like everyone else, I'd love to see it at 140.
     
  9. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    34,796
    64
    Dec 1, 2008
    140.. But Floyd will not do that. He will fight him at 147.. He knows he will beat JMM so he made the 143 limit, but with Pacman he will not go with the lower weight limit.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

    122,871
    34,859
    Jun 23, 2005
    If he beats him at any weight he gets his spot back. He's still #1 IMO and Manny only got it by default.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    :admin:admin:admin:admin:admin

    Rock, is that you? It cannot be!:-:)verysad:-:)verysad:-(

    :patsch
     
  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,874
    Apr 30, 2006

    I knew you'd be surprised my man and the disappointment isn't unexpected, but alas, I have no choice but to mix what I'd really love to see with a dose of realism. And, judging from recent precedent (Bernard Hopkins vs Pavlik and Winky, and Floyd vs Hatton), fighting a guy over his weight, as long as he has the name, will still get you most of the credit. Even if it's not their best classes, beating JMM and Pac will get him the top spot.

    Though I prefer it the most, 140 for Pac-Mayweather is a pipe dream, which is why I'm trying to be optimistic about a catch weight. I have no doubt Pac would take a 147 fight, though, so I had to at least consider it.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    Can't be the real Rock...:-(

    So...if Pavlik beat Pacquiao at 160 next, he'd be your p4p No 1? If not, how is that in principle different from what you've just said?
     
  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,368
    305
    Jan 8, 2009
    any weight...
     
  15. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,874
    Apr 30, 2006
    Sadly, judging by how it's been the last couple of years, what you described is no different in principle to how guys have genuinely been ranked. Taking all my biases out of it and looking at the rankings for what they are, I see guys who fight blown up fighters getting rewarded with higher rankings (Hopkins and Mayweather) and I see those on the losing end losing their spots despite losing at a higher weight- Hatton, Pavlik, and Winky. Be prepared to see JMM lose his spot should Mayweather beat him even though he's jumping up 2 weight classes for the fight.

    The cold truth is that the boxing world at large would give it to Floyd at anything 147 or below. Regardless of whether it should be or not, the fight would be too big even at a less than optimal weight for people to view it as being for anything less than the p4p title. Look at how much credit Floyd got for the Hatton fight, even though it was against the much more pedestrian Welterweight version.

    My personal opinion is that if Floyd doesn't plan on fighting true welterweights, he should just move down instead of creating them by blowing up lightweights and junior welters, and he'd get more credit from me if he did either- fight real welterweights, or move down. But, he's been the kingpin and if there's anything you can assure yourself of, it's that he's going to create every possible advantage he can to stack the decks in his favor. He reminds me a bit of Hopkins in that regard. I don't like it from a fan's standpoint, but from a business perspective in Floyd's shoes, it's hard to argue the success of that business model so far.