Fighters make weight, weight does not make fighters

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TFFP, May 3, 2009.


  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I have always maintained weight, in the modern era, in reasonable cases where we're talking about single digit poundage is a VERY small part of the jigsaw when determining a fight.

    I think it is now time to recognise this. That is twice in the last two Manny Pacquiao fights people have got it horribly wrong, and its mainly down to weight and weight alone. We should take heed of this. And also think about the many other great well-rounded fighters of this era, where once more weight has not proven the obstacle people have previously thought.

    Skillsets and styles account for 95% of what is going to take place in a fight, and never more clearer than last night was the realisition that weight does not transfer into an advantage unless the matchup allows for it. In other words, many attributes come into play before weight is a factor, as a fighter has to be in a position to make use of any perceived physical advantage.

    Discuss weight.

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  2. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Weight matters a lot.

    Hence why we have weight divisions.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    We have too many weight divisions, most of them are horse **** as proven by the number of fighters that have scaled the weights in this era.

    We have about 500 belts too, just because they are there it does not mean it is correct and not up for debate.
     
  4. Healy

    Healy Former Wee Poof

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    Hatton cannot move up 7 lbs -thats a law

    Pacquaio can move up 40 lbs... - thats another law
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    :rofl:good

    A stark demonstration that skillset is the majority of reasoning. Hatton fans made the epic mistake of making weight the primary concern. That is bound to end in disapointment. Did you ever hear them make a serious case for Hatton winning that did NOT include weight? It almost reminded me of the Maccarinelli fans that fought he'd beat Haye just because Haye was supposedly weight drained. So short sighted.

    Anyway, this is not just about Hatton. I don't want that to be the primary focus, its just a very good example. I believe this to be the case across the board.
     
  6. Bonavena25

    Bonavena25 Vamos! Full Member

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    I think far too much is made of weight as well and I'm surprised how many boxing writers and boxers themselves seem incapable of giving any other rationale for the fight picks, apart from weight. Emmanuel Steward being the latest legendary figure in boxing to overlook the glaringly obvious chasm in class between the two fighters and fall back on tired, cliche, logic.

    When I look at a fight, weight comes way down in the list when it comes to picking a winner.
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Weight is a fantastic excuse for many things. Especially when you're trying to pick apart the resume of a fighter you happen to dislike. :lol:
     
  8. LHL

    LHL Captain Freedom Full Member

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    What way would you cut the divisions down though just drop all the super and light crap :huh
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Like I said, I'd be happy if we just talk about the theory of weight, and how it affects a fight, and how much of a consideration is is compared to other attributes.

    I was just using last night as an example, Manny Pacquiao as an example since this is the topic of the day, but by no means is it the only one.
     
  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I was talking in general, not specifically accusing anyone of anything.
     
  11. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    If a fighter relys on strength and not skill then weight is a massive factor.

    Only the best can move through the weights.....and only they,IMO, can be considered for P4P contention
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Well yes, its a massive factor for them losing the fight if they only rely on this and they step out of their division. It's also a massive factor in them losing if they fight a great boxer period. Weight is never a massive factor for winning a fight alone, not for me.
     
  13. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Do shut up, you boring twat.

    Pacquiao's a freak, a phenom, a guy who could retire as a top 10 ATG.
     
  14. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    Agreed to a certain extent.

    At the highest level,a man who solely relies on strength will be found out by a slick boxer.

    Scott Harrison's another example I can think of. Very strong fighter who beat better boxers on pure strength and fitness but was badly exposed in some fights. If he ever stepped up to elite level,he'd have gotten embarrassed.
     
  15. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For me Rafael Marquez is better than Vazquez but that small natural size advantage Vazquez has makes all the difference... and it's only 4 lbs or so


    If you take it to it's extreme, a heavyweight will beat a flyweight - so there is no doubt at all that size matters. The only debate is how much it matters when the weight difference gets marginal. But logically, it MUST still matter to a degree

    If you are pitting the very best fighters on the planet against each other then just half a percent advantage can be decisive


    The other factor is that some guys can put on the weight and make the requisite gains in power and durability, some can't. It's as simple as that.