Top 10 Junior Welterweights of all-time (post-war)

I wouldn't say miles better, they split a series and all their fights were more or less close.

Ortiz may not be renowned for being an 140 pounder, but he beat Loi, he drew with Locche in a fight everyone admits Ortiz was robbed in, he beat Kenny Lane, beat Battling Torres and a group of other decent contenders as well. By anyone's measure, that's a superlative effort.

He clearly beat Cervantes. I had that fight 9-6 and I have it closer than most. Most think it's even wider in Benitez's favour.

Not sure really where I'd have him at 140, but Cervantes was a great fighter at the weight, and Benitez clearly beat him. Emiliano Villa was also an excellent talent for a short while, and whilst he pushed Benitez close, Wilfred clearly took that bout as well. Is that enough for a claim in the top 5 at 140? Probably not if you are measuring resumes, but in terms of ability, he has a case I think. I'd only clearly favour Duran, Napoles, Whitaker and Chavez over him at 140 amongst the guys in the last 50 years.

 

does any of this film exist except the 5 min HL

 

Haven't come across anything bar that, unfortunately.

 

i havent read fight reports but was it a good fight. and did Ortiz win it clearly

the 5 min HL dosent show much

 

MDWC once typed out a report from the fight from Boxing illustrated, sourced from July 1966 Rings Around the World.


It read:



World lightweight champion Carlos Ortiz was held to a disputed draw in a ten round non-title fight by the Argentine and South American lightweight champion Nicolino Locche at Luna Park, Buneos Aires.

For Locche it was his second draw with a reigning lightweight champion, last summer he boxed a stalemate with Ismael Laguna.

The decision was loudly booed by the fans who felt that Ortiz was entitled to the verdict. The manager of Ortiz, Bill Daly, was quite upset by the decision, but Ortiz made no comment.

Carlos held the upper hand in almost every round, and Locche drew frequent warnings from referee Vincente Avendano for holding and hitting,

Nicolino was also guilty of numerous clinches: nevertheless one judge voted for him and the other, along with the referee, scored the fight even. Our ringside correspondent had Ortiz ahead by seven points: 199-192 under the complicated scoring system used in Argentina.

While Locche's face was puffed and red, Ortiz finished the fight unmarkled. Carlos scaled 139, a pound more than his opponent.

 

cheers so Ortiz definitly won it

what about the Laguna draw was it disputed

 

Haven't got any official scorecards for it but an Argentinian guy I know who saw the fight said the draw was justified. I trust his word, he openly admitted that Ortiz got the better of Locche.

 

ok thanks mate.

if Ortiz got the desicion would it have boosted his standfing sin the LWW divison

 

Ever heard of Antonio Cervantes? Cervantes was in his prime and less than a year removed from dominating Esteban Dejesus. I'd value his win over Emiliano Villa great than a win over Hatton. Pressure fighters have short primes and Hatton's is past. I think Pac is great but he has one win at the weight over a limited, past it (albeit good) Ricky Hatton. I took exception to rating him over Benitez but if we're being fair one win (over Hatton) doesn't gain anybody entrance into the top 10 at this weight.

 

How about Miguel Cotto? He was pretty impressive as a 140 lb. Champion.

 

Yeah i agree with all of them as well.Some nice depth at 140.

 

pryor at number 1? for beating an old cervantes and old arguello?

 

Both were reigning World Champions, when Pryor beat them. Not many fighters could have withstood the punishment that Arguello was dishing out. Dujuan Johnson was a highly talented fighter when he challenged Pryor.

 

Cervantes is too high on the list. Benitez is too low.

 

There is no argument you could ever make in your lifetime that has Pacquiao in the top 10 as of this moment. Above Benitez? Pac is a great fighter, no question about it, so it really boggles the mind how you *******s can still manage to overrate the hell out of him.