admit it....who was fooled by Hatton's boxing career?

his point is scurla has been saying witer is some big contender and has beaten everyone he need to, wen infact he fought shitter guys than hatton and prob lost to some of them

 

Learn to read. I never insinuated that. Go back and re read my post.

 

No, Scurla was saying Witter had a legitimate chance of beating Hatton and was also the number two guy in the country. Would you disagree with that? Bremner's assertion that Witter needed to do more than Collazo to get a fight with Hatton was rather flawed, hence my question.

 

I have seen your posts about this for the last 2 years :roll:

 

So what are you insinuating then? That everyone needs to be a big time star before they get a shot at the number one guy? Isn't that rather elitist?

 

He might have beaten hatton and he was number 2 in the uk, however he fought numerous worse fighters than hatton and has never really done much in his career. Bremner was pointing out if hattons opponents where so bad why had witter not faced anyone as good as even collazo.

 

No what i am saying is if you make claims about someone fighting poor fighters and ducking guys who are 'top' of the divison those guys should have fought some decent fighters to be 'top' and not have fought even worse guys than the fighter being slagged off.

 

And why did Hatton fight WBU cans for years and not fight his #1 domestic challenger, that was quite clearly a class fighter?

Futhermore, how did Witter manage to become the #1 ranked 140lb'er behind Ricky Hatton, without ever having fought him over such a long period?

It was blatant ducking. Call a spade a spade. I don't recall any other Brit so clearly ducking their #1 rival. Calzaghe, Froch, Eubank and Benn beforehand, Lewis and Bruno, they all did it. Hatton ducked Witter to keep his applecart on the move.

 

What does it matter what bull**** belt he was holding.... it was just a series of fights to build up his name and experience.... like every boxer does in his career, wheather it's the EBU,WBU,Commonwealth,Intercontinetal its doesn't ****in matter they are all awards that serve a purpose for an up and coming fighter

 

I think we're having two simultaneous debates here but I'll try my best to offer a rebuttal to the point I think you're trying to make. Witter was never afforded the opportunities Hatton was, I don't see how anyone can dispute that. Warren treated Junior pretty badly and Hatton reneged on an apparent contract clause to fight him.

Hennesey doesn't have the financial clout to create the hype train Warren did for Ricky. Look how long it took him to get Froch a big fight, it has nothing to do with him not having 'the balls' and everything to do with opportunity. Or a lack of it in this case.

 

He doesnt seem to understand how the rankings work. Imagine that Ricky wasnt even the divisions number 2 at the time. Harris was. Ricky who was number 3 got to fight Kostya. But Ricky wouldnt fight Witter who was the divison number 2 and instead chose Paulie who cant crack an egg and looked ridiculous in his debatable win over N'dou for the vacant IBF. Matter of fact he chose the easiest challenger in the entire division. But Paulie deserved that over Witter because of what? Lazcano, Urango deserved a bout with Hatton because of what?
WHO did they beat that made them DESERVING of a bout with Ricky. :roll:

 

And there you have it folks! :happy

 

O no mon fere they serve a MASSIVE purpose. Can you explain why Hatton wouldnt fight Otkay when Urkal held the more prestigious EBU? Il tell you why because Kostya went life and death with Urkal. Urkal would have outboxed Hatton with ease back then. But FW didnt want to upset the applecart.

Hatton wasnt the best in Europe. Matter of fact we didnt even know he was the best in this country. His belt was an indication of that. How can you glibbly ignore that and then conversely say he was a World Champ! He was Linear! He held the title for 4 years! But it was just a belt right?

 

Its not just the financial clout though, people are slagging off the wbu route but hatton fought alot of guys and built his fan base up, he is younger than froch and witter and has had more fights and fought far better oppostion. Why has carl froch taken till the age of 31 to have 26 fights and only beat 2 guys of any note who are still well off being true elite fighters or even top of their divsion.

 

so who did witter or bradley beat then :huh