Floyds Last 3 Vs Mannys Last 3 And Some Strange Contradictions.....

Cherry picking argument aside - Manny outperformed Floyd in all those fights and showed how to make the P4P title his own.

Feel the burn.

Feel the burn.

 

I mean fair enough... that all depends on who's the judge

on one hand you can say....

david diaz was super trash/baldomir was super trash
hatton was @ his right weight but had the wrong game plan/odlh was @ his right weight but had the wrong game plan
odlh was @ his wrong weight/hatton was at his wrong weight


yous see what im saying.... my point is these 3 fights should be viewed equally....regardless of what everyone thought...

 

The thing you keep forgetting to mention is that in all of these fights Pac was fighting at different weight classes in which he was unproven.

3 fights 3 different weights see the difference former 112 lb champ

 

yeah but at what point are we going to say

"you know what"

david diaz is trash
oscar was totally weight drained
hatton was a great win

but seriously the weight thing is being over blown in the diaz & oscar fight

 

Technique: Floyd
Ring generalship: Floyd
Speed: Equal
Long distance running speed: Floyd
Power: Manny
Killer instinct: Manny
Toughness: Manny
Chin: Manny
Chickenshitedness: Floyd
Classiness: Manny
Matureness: Manny
Cry babyness: Floyd
Trainer: ???
Trainer you can understand: ???
Do I wanna see the fight?: After some forethought, I think Floyd won't fight at all and I'm not paying to see him run 12 rounds. A "W" is a "W" in his book and honor, humility, class and valor are incomprehensible. He'll beat Manny as long as he potshots, but he can't win straight up as a man.

 

My view is this.

Floyd vs. Baldomir > Manny vs. Diaz.

Floyd vs. Oscar = Manny vs. Oscar.
Manny vs. Hatton > Floyd vs. Hatton

 

Mayweather started at 130 but had a big frame for that weight. Pac on the other hand, has a naturally smaller frame and truly belongs between 135-140...as for Mayweather, he easily belongs between 147-150 because of his frame.

Even De LaHoya started at 130 but he had no business there...his real fighting weight always should have been 147 until the last few years...

Therefore the weight at which you start at is only relevent if your frame fits the weight....

And by the way, Baldomir, even if he had the WBC belt was a very limited talent and an easy day of work for Money !!

Diaz-Pacquiao = Mayweather-Baldomir

 

main thing is, Pac has balls.

Two of those fights many thought Pac would lose a year ago. Many even laugh at people bringing up those match ups. Those three fights for Floyd everbody expected him to win. But for Pac, two of those fights they expected him to lose if mentioned a year ago. Floyd never even entertained the idea of fighting the real welters in the division. And now, Pac's camp are even considering the fights like Cotto, Shane, etc. Same fighters that sent PBF into hiding to his so-called retirement.

 

I'm not going to buy into all the hype and excuses. Diaz wasn't the best lightweight but he was a champion and had some decent wins at the weight.

As for Oscar who really knows he had a nutritionist and before the fight he had said he felt the best he felt in a while.
Oscar couldn't pull the trigger,but you know what when Roach trained Oscar for Floyd is when Roach seen this. They had the proper gameplan attack which is not something Floyd does or he could have got better results.
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What I feel the biggest difference is the fact that no one believed a year ago Manny was capable of any of this and that FACT is forgotten.

 

I can agree with that... in terms of which fight was more impressive...

but in terms of which fight was a bigger cherry pick... they are all equal

i think in 2009 weight jumping is over rated because you can have all sorts of bum ass fighters running around with belts... maybe im mistaken

david diaz had no business having that belt when he lost to manny
baldomir had no business with having that belt @ 154

i would be more impressed with a fighter who clears out 1 division then someone who jumps from class to class

 

ha ha oh **** :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Thats what I don't understand Floyd stays at his weight and does what he's supposed to do.

Pac moves up and does what people were laughing at and saying that Pac was just looking for a retirement check and its the same thing

 

so pac has balls because he knocked his opponents out
and
floyd doesnt because he wins via decision?

what hype.... oscar had not fought at welter in 9 fights... not only that but steve forbes was landing on him and he is a bum...

you have to make the decision between truth & hype... what i listed is all true

 

Since when is cherry picking based on the last three fights?
I can agree to some extent with what you're saying, but Pacquiao's moving up in weight and being an underdog in the Hoya fight, and Mayweather fighting at a comfortable weight and being a heavy favorite in all of his fights is on a whole different level of "cherry picking"

 

And somehow Manny weighed much less in the weigh in than he did moments before. And there was a break between the main fighter's weigh ins and everyone else's. And we are to believe Oscar was 145 and Pac like 142 when he was 146 a few minutes before accorrding to Roach.

It is easy to recalibrate those things and I think it may have been done so Oscar made the weight.

Is there a video of the entire weigh in unedited?

Anyways Manny blew out Hatton like me, and only me predicted and bet on.

I know that what Manny did to Oscar was partially because Oscar is older and drained but I don't believe it was as bad as people think it was. It was also because it was Pac in there fighting him.