Floyds Last 3 Vs Mannys Last 3 And Some Strange Contradictions.....

He took the needle in his arm to rehydrate, yes he was drained. But if you go through the plan and execution of the Pac strategy I doubt Oscar was the pushover that some think he was that night. They exaggerate.

The Hatton blow out should help clear that up.

 

seconded!:good

 

There is simply no way you can argue that a win over Hatton at his best weight is the same as beating him at 147. Find me one thread from before Saturday where someone argues that this fight gave Manny an unfair advantage.

I could find you a hundred that said this before Hatton-PBF.

 

Marquez is a great fighter. I thought Pac won both fights by close decision.

 

NO.

Pac has balls because he took a fight everybody thought he would lose and will just toy with him and slap him silly. But Floyd took on fights everybody thought would be easy wins for him.

Pac KOs of his opponents are after the fact.

 

I don't dispute Floyd's acheivements, what I have consistently said - Certainly not comparing one fighter to another - Is that I wanted to see Floyd take that astounding skill set and stretch it against an opponent that is a genuine risk and it's not like those fighters aren't there at 147.

The perception for me in the realms of the P4P argument is that Manny has started MUCH lighter and not only taken those fights that might be viewed as "cherry picking" and not only won them, but scored three stoppage victories for it to boot.

Throw in the fact he fought Marquez before Diaz and in a tough close fight eeked out a razor thin decision including a knock down against arguably the other best p4p active fighter alive - There's a sense of more risk being taken, and then exceeding the expectations.

While Floyd's fights had a more even share of analysis over who was going to win the fight, Manny's fight against De La Hoya and Hatton BEFORE the fights were derided with calls of "He's INSANE!" "There's NO WAY he can win" etc etc. Freddie Roach made calls about Pac that 90% of posters here were saying "He's INSANE!" "There's NO WAY DLH can't KO manny/Manny will stop Hatton in 3!"

Don't get me wrong, Floyd has copped his fair share of detraction as well, but I think when you're obviously a bigger man that has settled into the weight for a longer period of time, the perception of many is that they would like to see the P4P guy do something similar.

For him to say he's "Come back to take what's mine" - He should fight Paul Williams and Shane Mosley - That makes a MORE emphatic statement for P4P than fighting Marquez and Manny IMO.

Now it's a no brainer that "Manny Money" would be made in this fight between the two and that it's a super fight people want to see, but personally for me Floyd can take the higher road and end up with a more air tight case of his greatness fighting the bigger men.

Cherry picking argument point: Floyd COULD have fought Margacheato for 8 million. Would it have made financial sense? Not as much as DLH. Would it have meant more to his legacy? IMO - yes. Floyd COULD have fought Cotto or Mosley instead of Hatton. Pretty much the same situation with either guy.

All I am getting at is that I would much rather see Floyd exceed expectations. That is the essence of a "p4p" guy to me, Manny has done that in his last three fights - Exceeded expectations and in fact shocked many people.

Floyd saying he's taking what's mine from Manny is almost as flawed as Hatton saying "I'll be p4p #1 if I beat Pac" like the title is transferable or something.

Floyd can take it by taking bigger risks. historically I think even if Mayweather was to beat Manny and both men retired after that fight - I would still envisage Manny as having a more historically significant career than Money.

This is heresay - Floyd has the chance to shut the whole boxing community up - But rather than exceed expectations, I kind of find it feels more "safe".

Fortune favors the brave.

 

One other thing, when Pac says I'll fight anybody thrown at me, he means it. That's BALLS.

Unlike going with an excuse of retirement to avoid the top dogs of your division.

 

Watch.

IF Floyd beats JMM and then Manny beats Floyd, the Floydettes (my new term for them) will say that Floyd is higher than Manny pound for pound because Floyd was shot by November 09 when the fight takes place. And Manny was completely destroyed in JMM 1 and 2 yet Floyd managed a decision over JMM.

It will never end.

If you told a Floyd fan a few years ago, hey Mr Floydette, if Manny goes up and knocks out both De La Hoya and Hatton would you still rank him below Floyd pound for pound? I mean if Floyd goes on to do nothing?

Anybody that said Floyd would still rank higher would have been laughed at.

 

atsch Have you always been this dense? Holy **** man...

 

Thats your reality no other fighter would have done that to Oscar.

Pac had the perfect strategy and he executed it perfectly .

So easy to believe any excuse you here to take away from the great win.

Pac could have cried and told everyone how weight drained he was in his last few fights at 130 but he never cried he went out and put on a show.

 

Because nobody, especially not anybody in this forum, has a crystal ball.

Teddy Atlas has one, but he uses it for evil.

 

Roach knew Oscar was washed up from training him too, not just from the Forbes fight. Since Roach's words are your bible here lets remember that he said Pac would give DLH huge problems at any point in Oscar's career.

If Manny was black or Mexican so many haters would have so much love.

 

atsch I really need to stop looking at crap you say or your threads. You're on your way becoming one of the most inconsistent, ridiculous posters here.

You didn't even know what DECKED meant.... atsch