admit it....who was fooled by Hatton's boxing career?

I find it ironic that the thread starter has always proudly displayed a James Toney avatar, a man who never managed to beat a truly 'elite' fighter and who all-too often found himself on the wrong end of a decision when fighting top class opposition in their prime.

And even when fighting a past-prime Drake Thadzi, for that matter....

Just think, all of that natural talent - far, far more than Hatton was born with - and still failing to beat Drake Thadzi.

And if struggling to a close but fair decision win over Luis Collazo is bad, imagine being genuinely humiliated by Dave Tiberi and being giftwrapped one of the most despicable decisions in boxing history. A decision so bent it makes the Hatton 'shoe lace' controversy look like a mere drop in the ocean. All to protect the (at the time) very hyped champion. :bart

 

I'm sorry to break this to you but they don't pay purses based on titles, they pay them on what a fight (and fighter) is worth and Carl Froch defending is WBC title against East Europeans at Nottingham Arena is not going to get him as much money as taking his title over to America/ Denmark or wherever else theres a hometown fighter with decent promotional muscle who wants to try and take his title.

At the age of 31 there isn't enough time for him to take the long term view and make a few marking time defences while his waits for the big fights to come to him or even your brilliant suggestion of getting stripped and trying to get rich off non-title fights on ITV4.....

 

Quality post. I can see you're going to fit right in with Betty and Scurlas little fun bunch...:good

 

People are really talking about Witter again? :rofl:rofl:rofl

Priceless.

 

By the way, to anybody debating with Scurlaruntings.....

...he scored the Hatton/Urango fight 114 - 113 to Hatton....that tells you all you need to know about how much this guy knows about boxing.

Absolutely clueless.

 

Froch fought Taylor because that fight represented the best risk/reward scenario open to him. Simple as.

It was the biggest money he was likely to get, the biggest exposure he was likely to get, and the biggest opportunity he was likely to get, against a very beatable opponent.

Do you think Richard Schaeffer would be talking about Froch v Hopkins if Froch just beat Karo Murat or Robert Stieglitz at Nottingham Ice Rink, live on ITV4?

 

Hatton had a good career, so many boxers would have loved to have had such a career.

 

Ok what arent you getitng?

He won the WBC title which would have given him enough drawing power to make decent money after that fight and certainly build up a huge amount of wins against handpicked guys.......instead he chose to go out and risk all.......and becuase of his risk taking he will improve as a fighter. I suspect though that he will come unstuck against Kessler, Hopkins or any other elite fighter he seeks.....as his boxing skills are still average in terms of the elites of this sport.

I didnt say him getting stripped would be good........read, read and read some more pls.............Froch went and took the bigger risk and didnt have to.

How many times do we see fighters win belts and then refuse to defend becuase its against a tough fighter or high risk/litte reward.

In the end of the day........this all comes down to the Ricky Hatton part where he was staged managed to be something he wasnt. I agreed on many points that scurla and that betty guy made........but dosent mean i agree on everything with these guys and certainly not what scurla had to say about Lennox.

Ive said already my take on Hatton........in British terms......he is a great british fighter.........but we are one country. In terms of the world and boxing history he for me isnt even good enough to be a top 20 Light-Welterweight/Welterweight.

Anyhow...........i dont consider him a welter......more of a lightweight.......as boxing has created far to many weights....all these little 10 stone men should be considered lightweight.......and he has got undone in brutal fashion by the current best in the lightweight/light welter divisions.

Diaz did better...............but i also want to point out that Hatton is the only one to stage manage his carrer......Floyd Mayweather is another except he is a great fighter..........some of his best wins have been eaten up by pacman literally........this is why i suspect he is coming back.

Hatton has been promoted as if he were a ring legend in the same

 

He also likes to pretend that he simply saw Hatton has overrated and that he has not been a blind hater when the facts are...

He picked Tackie by KO inside 3 rounds and spent days laughing on here about how Hatton was out of his league against Tackie and would be destroyed.

He spent months saying Hatton would never dare fight Tsyzu, no mention of thinking Tsyzu was too old and when the fight was announced he picked Tsyzu by KO in the first round.

He said before the Castillo fight that even though Castillo was past his best he expected him to stop Hatton.

He then wrote after that fight that Hatton had still never faced a good young fighter and he picked Paulie Malignaggi to beat him if Hatton ever accepted a fight with a young fighter like him.

And now Hatton has lost to Pacman in bad style and he is here trying to pretend that it was deep boxing knowledge and not hate that led him to criticise Hatton, a guy who he has picked against in almost every fight since Magee.

Hatton is and was World Class. He is not Elite. He has stepped up to Elite level 3 times, won one and been beaten twice. Perhaps his life style has caught up with him, perhaps not. I never thought he could beat PBF no matter when they met or where. I did think he could beat Pac, but I was wrong.
Pac is true elite, Hatton is simply world class and belongs and always did belong on the world stage fighting the top 5 men in his division, being a world champion but not being able to compete with ATG fighters.

There is no shame in that, and there is only pathetic hatred and bias that would have anyone suggest that he was not a world champion standard fighter. In the end if Hatton had beaten Pac, Scurla and Betty et al would have given credit for a few weeks, but within a year the win would be dismissed as hand picking a smaller man from a lower weight class and that is a FACT.

 

Well said Strike.

The level of 'debate' is laughable at times. It's just bull****. Trolling, flaming, spamming, whatever these things mean precisely, it's one of them lol.

Dwilson is another lately - he now claims Hatton is at the level of Lockett and Jennings but had the 'right promotion'.

These folk either are blinded by hate or they are genuinely stupid.

 

If all that is true Strike it proves that quite a few on ESB and in the Brit forum, only come on here because they have an axe to grind.

Just waiting for someone to fail so you can put the boot in is just sad..:deal

 

I don't like Hatton and was glad he got drubbed, but he did well especially if you consider how "limited" some think he is. He had talent blighted by soft opposition and a trainer who didn't help him develop his boxing skills.

All that "improved" Ricky stuff was crap. He could do it when he was fighting a guy who didn't pressure him or pose him any risks, but soon as he was against a guy with all the advantages- he came apart. It doesn't diminish his achievements, it just shows him up for being a solid fighter who made good with opportunistic matchmaking and a great fanbase.

I do hope he retires - his punch resistance has been going since the Tyszu fight and I'd rather not see him lose to opponents he'd have blasted away in the past.

 

Good post Strike.
You know them better than they know themselves. They are Elite, ATG haters for sure.

 

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bull**** for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!