prime ali vs. prime holmes

I didn't invent a time machine. But I did buy a boxing simulation program, and here's what I got:

Fight info: Casino Magic, Bay St. Louis, MS, United States, 2009-05-06, announcer is Jimmy Lennon, referee is Dick Flaherty, the bout will be scored by three judges: Harold Lederman (United States), Eric Fetzer (United States) and Manuel Arroyo (Colombia), ring card girl is <Generic Ring Card Girl>, this is not a title bout, the bout is scheduled for 15 rounds, Unified-rules are in effect, three KD rule is not in effect, save by the bell is not in effect, only the referee can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is not in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 4/Scorecard after 4, game will check for injuries, game will adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'use bias rating', Scoring System is 10 Points
In the red corner: Larry Holmes - Record: 1-0-1 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Richie Giachetti - Cut Man: Sam Gasher
In the blue corner: Muhammad Ali - Record: 0-0-1 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Angelo Dundee - Cut Man: Sam Gasher

Let's go to Jimmy Lennon for the call...

Ladies and Gentlemen, the judges have tallied their scorecards and here is your decision...

Harold Lederman, United States scores the bout 143 to 141 for Larry Holmes

Eric Fetzer, United States scores the bout 143 to 141 for Muhammad Ali

Manuel Arroyo, Colombia scores the bout 143 to 141 for...

...Muhammad Ali

The winner by split decision is Muhammad Ali!
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It seems to be realistic.....:hey

MR.BILL:bbb:deal

 

I could fiddle with the controls a little more, but I didn't feel like it. Holmes and Ali ended up with the same generic cutman.

The simulator also recorded that Ali knocked down Holmes in the 9th.

When I ran Ali vs. Holmes again using a Round scoring system, I ended up with a draw:

Ladies and Gentlmen, the scorecards are in, and here is your official decision...

Bobby Wells, United States scores the bout 7 to 7 - even

Frank Lombardi, United States scores the bout 9 to 6 for Larry Holmes

Francisco Baez, United States scores the bout 8 to 7 for Muhammad Ali

This fight has been declared a draw!

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So over two fights, Ali is 1-0-1.


I remember during the 1994 Baseball Strike, several newspapers were running the rest of the season through a computer simulation. I think I remember the Chicago Tribune printing the results and stats on the baseball page as if the season was really going on. The White Sox ended being declared the winners in our local papers. I also remember a friend of mine saying the New York Times or the New York Post doing the same thing, except the Yankees ended up being the winners.

How convenient that the local team ended up being the winner both times.

 

Prime vs prime, I voted for Ali by decision. His movement and right hand would be the difference, in my opinion. :bbb

 

Ali is my favorite fighter, and I rank him #1 all time at heavy weight.

I read an excerpt from Holmes' biography, and he had great respect for Ali. I think Holmes was near enough to his peak, as Ali's sparring partner, for his respect to tell us Ali would be more than competitive against Holmes.

Holmes was not a short stalker. I don't see Ali's movement being a problem. I think Holmes would say "Run around, I'm in no rush."

As much as I want to pull for Ali, I can't help but think about Forrest and Mosley when I think of this match-up. I don't believe Holmes would get carried away chasing Ali. I believe that Ali's fast jab would disturb Holmes at times, but Holmes' stronger jab would be slightly more telling. I think Holmes' one-two would be the more telling combination, helping to nullify Ali's attempts to flurry, and win him a close decision.

 

It's called OOTP Title Bout Championship Boxing. There's a free demo for it, but the full version costs $35. Search for it on google and read some reviews.

 

This one is REALLY REALLY close.....I think Holmes (Norton fight) would be the smartest fighter Ali ever faced. Remember,Eddie Futch trained Holmes for a minute and if he trains him for this fight he has a good chance.Remember Futch pointed out that Ali would drop his right hand whenever he threw his left jab and Larry had a underrated right and would catch Ali.HOWEVER,Holmes was susceptible to the right and the Ali of the Cleveland Williams was a little too fast in this fight and wins a VERY close decision,any other time BUT that Ali(Williams fight) Holmes wins a narrow decision.

 

I don't think there will be a knockout here. I'll take Holmes via narrow decision. Ali's un-orthodox style, and sometimes poor fundamentals would cost him here. Ali was in fact out jabbed in many stages of his career. In this fight,Ali would be facing the man with the best all time jab, and one who will throw it often and harder than Ali did.

 

Honestly, Mendoza. Holmes doesn't stand a chance. I am also tempted to call holmes "a poor mans wannabe Ali". Ali of late 1960s was just so much better, he will seriousely expose holmes big time flaws. Ali by wide decision.

 

A bit vulnerable? I dont think I ever saw a title fight with holmes where he wasn't hit by big right hands(maybe tex cobb is the exception lol)....In fact Earnie Shavers stated in his book that he purposely challenged Larry to a rematch after seeing Mike Weaver-Holmes fight because he knew Holmes could be hit with the right hand.

 

And did he tag him. If a good finisher was attached to that right hand Holmes would have suffered his first KO.

 

Yeah, remind me again. Ali was outjabbed by Jones, Foster, and Lyle, wasnt he? And why not throwing Folley in there, while you're at it? :yep

Norton could perhaps be credited with outjabbing Ali in the first fight, but these guys didn't even come close to doing it.

 

Ernie Terrell had a fantastic Jab. i have film of Terrell vs Foster, Williams II, and Spencer and Terrell had one of the most underrated jabs of that era. He was also 6'6. Terell couldn't hit ali on that night...Ali was so fast he was able to turn off the lightswitch and get back in his bed before the room got dark. I think Ali proved in this fight he has no problems at his peak dealing with a Tall champion with a excellent Left Jab. Mendoza loves bringing up Ali's fights of the 1970s yet Ali was past his prime then. Everything Ali did in the 1970s is just Gravvy. The Ali of the 1960s was the speed deamon. I don't buy into the Ali was more powerful and better chin in the 70s thing...

 

Ali was The Master................. Still, Holmes was great too............ Ali by close shave........ Holmes' speed and savy is often discredited......... Ali wins, but its a close shave.... Cheerio....

MR.BILL