Jack Dempsey and Harry Wills

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. janitor

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    If only eh.

    Both fighters were willing to make it happen but it was not to be.
     
  3. guilalah

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    Dempsey is a cruiser weight sitting next to a guy who was a big heavy for that time. Somehow they don't look that far apart, size-wise.
     
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    I think the diference would be more aparent if they both stood up.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Wow. When we talk about these little fighters and what might have been we're kidding ourselves, aren't we?

    These two in the ring...that would have been something. Top 5 berth for the winner.
     
  6. djanders

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    It's a shame it didn't happen.
     
  7. McGrain

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    "A shame"!!!!!!?????????
     
  8. McGrain

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    Anyway, Dempsey early or Wills late, these days I think of it as 50.50, and I think the judges can have 40 winks if they like.
     
  9. Muchmoore

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    Had this fight come off, I'd expect Dempsey to win by KO if he was at his best. If he showed up like he did in some of his defenses while not in top shape, Wills would win.

    Dempseys stock would be in my top 5 had he beaten Wills, and Wills probably would drop about 5-10 spots actually. Wills claim to fame is that he was fighting more often than Dempsey when he was champion and against better fighters. If Dempsey knocked him out he would drop a lot.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Interesting post Muchmoore.


    I would put Wills at around 15 if he lost, down from 10.

    I would move Dempsey up to 5 or 6 from 12ish.

    If Wills beat Dempsey...anywhere from 1-3 depending on what he did next.
     
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  12. kmcc505

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    I have Dempsey at #3 behind Louis and Ali currently. I've had him as low as 6 though.
     
  13. Muchmoore

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    Dempseys resume is not that of a top 7 HW, not even close to top 3. Head to Head at his very best he was great, but his resume lacks depth and guys like Lewis, Holmes, Marciano, and Liston should ALWAYS rank above Jack.
     
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    I guess it depends how you weigh the different criteria. I'd be interested in seeing your top 10.
     
  15. Muchmoore

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    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Tyson
    4. Lewis
    5. Holmes
    6. Liston
    7. Marciano
    8. Frazier
    9. Foreman
    10. Johnson

    3-5 is interchangable, 8-10 can be arranged in any order.

    Now, compare Dempseys top 5 wins to the top 5 wins of everyone from 3-10. His top 5 is probably Sharkey, Willard, then maybe Fulton, Gibbons, Carpentier. This is worse than every fighter there. His title reign was horrible to boot, I honestly don't see a criteria that ranks Dempsey highly except head to head.