Is Manny Pacquiao a top 20 Atg

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  1. theprodigalson

    theprodigalson New Member Full Member

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    here you go floydyboy:mab ,morales,and marquez
     
  2. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    When did you see me mention Floyd in that fashion? Oh, the names you provided aren't good enough, sorry.
     
  3. theprodigalson

    theprodigalson New Member Full Member

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    it's a matter of opinion sorry too..
     
  4. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    People are well aware of what it takes (most anyway).

    But to suggest that no fighter from this decade (which you're basically saying, because it's almost unanimous that Pacquiao is the best of the decade) can't be in the top 10-20, is ludicrous. And quite frankly, it's just biased against modern fighters. I used to be in a similar position, I'd always defend older fighters. But the reality is, Pacquiao is proven against the best fighters of the generation. And every decade, people scoff at the prospect of then-current fighters being ranked "up there". But over time, opinions change.

    Some people suggest he isn't in the top 50. That means almost five fighters from EVERY other modern boxing decade are better than the best fighter from this decade. That's what I call stupidity.


    I'd like to know who the "obvious" top 15 are, given that you have Moore in that group.

    It simply has to be taken into account that modern fighters don't fight as often as those from previous generations. That's the way it is, and they shouldn't be punished for it. Pacquiao has beaten at least 4, possibly 5, future HOF fighters. All bar one by knockout.

    Out of 54 fights - That's 9 fights (16%), 7 wins, 5 knockouts, 1 draw - against HOF fighters.

    Guys like McLarin - whilst being a great, great fighter - went 9-5 with HOFers. Losses didn't mean as much back then, but fighting all the time allowed them to notch up the wins quicker too!

    Barbados Walcott? I think (without seeing him fight) that his career is overrated.

    Roy Jones? No... :lol:. On talent + H2H perhaps.

    Hearns? Based on what? Losses to Leonard and Hagler? His most notable victory is over Duran, a man who was about 6" shorter than him, 3 classes above his natural weight and in the twighlight of his career. Hearns is a monster head-to-head, but overrated in terms of accomplishments.

    Chavez? Debatable. The reality is he padded his record massively.

    Monzon? A brilliant fighter and arguably the greatest middleweight, but didn't move up and conquer bigger fighters, which is a large criterion for P4P greatness. Same can be said for Hagler!

    Gavilan? Highly talented but his record does him no favours. He fought some real greats like Robinson and Williams, but didn't get the W. Who was his biggest win? Bell? Basilio?

    Saddler? Meh. A nightmare stylistic matchup for Pep, who was diminished from his injuries in the plane crash anyway. A win over a very green Joe Brown doesn't do much for him. Jimmy Carter was a good win.

    Arguello is a fighter I love. I'd probably have him ahead of Pac, but a case can be made to the contrary. The best 130lber in history, but damn those fights against Pryor would've helped him if they went the other way!

    I'm not saying all of these guys are behind Pac, but you can easily argue it. Classic-favoritism is terrible when it comes to boxing. Of course there are many guys better than Pacquiao... but 50? No. 40? No. 30? Debatable. 20? Possibly, but also debatable. Appreciate what we're witnessing before he's gone.
     
  5. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pacquiao is the 2nd best fighter in the last 25 years...
     
  6. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    it is not a crime to rank pacquiao above these fighters
     
  7. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    :clap:Great post. I'm not even saying that Pac is top 20 nor am I saying he's necessarily above the fighters smitty listed(its debateable). But to not have him inside the top 50? I think that's reaching. Don't hate, appreciate.
     
  8. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    you have guts... :clap:
     
  9. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :happy:happy:happy

    if these does not sink in among the haters, then its sure proof that some people failed to join the bus called evolution.

    some chose to remain a caveman, with their heads buried in someone elses ass perennially.
     
  10. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    Out of Top 50 my ****ing ass!!!
     
  11. digger

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    yes he is
     
  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    This thread is a disgrace to boxing.

    So beating a bunch of old boxing legends puts you at top 20 now??

    Well then Oscar should be top 5 for that matter, since he beat better quality old legends.

    :patsch
     
  13. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was Chavez top 3 p4p when ODLH beat him? Because MAB was. Was Whitaker top 3 p4p when ODLH beat him? Because JMM was. Was Vargas top 10 p4p when ODLH beat him, and if he was is he as highly regarded as Morales? Because Morales is an ATG and was top 10 p4p.

    You can say a fighter is crap, old shot blah blah blah, but fact is, at the time Pac fought them, they were very highly regarded and only became shot when Pac made them look it.
     
  14. 5Burowz

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    Not even close.
     
  15. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    STFU!!! :hi: