I edited my list since I forgot a couple Here is my top 20 Jabs in heavyweight history 1. Sonny Liston 2. Larry Holmes 3. Joe Louis 4. Muhammad Ali 5. Lennox Lewis 6. Riddick Bowe 7. Buster Douglas 8. Wladimir Klitschko 9. Jersey Joe Walcott- Yes suprise wildcard pick. Have you ever seen anyone throw a trible jab/feint combination to the head and body?? 10. George Foreman 11. Pinklon Thomas 12. Ken Norton 13. Gene Tunney 14. Nino Valdez- Another suprise pick eh? Watch the films you will agree with me 15. Carl Truth Williams 16. Ezzard Charles 17. Jack Johnson 18. Floyd Patterson 19. Ernie Terrell 20. Greg Page * Vitali may too much of a paw for my liking.
also checkout his first fight with Louis. watch how he throws triple jab combinatons on louis and his feints with the jab are like a thing of art.
dont have that fight but will have a lookie for it i just got a heap of 1950s fight but mostly Welterweights and also afew 20s-30s fights like Dempsey, Gans, Leoanrd etc..
Page had a very good jab, one that he could've dominated and won many fights against quality opposition with. The problem was that he was often lazy with his jab, not using it enough and turning what should have been easier fights into difficult ones.
Watched some Tunney tape today. What a brilliant boxer he was! He did have a great jab and knew how to through his right behind it. I see now why Bert Sugar had him rated so high for all time heavies (5 I think?).
Granted however im not basing it just on reach, although Sonnys 84" reach is ludicrous, i am basing it on the delivery of the punch. Tyson, Frazier and Marciano outjabbed longer limbed fighters also by not jabbing at the head but what is in front of them often the chest and shoulders of oponents something Norton did very well also. Jabbing down is not always a benefit My feeling is that while Wlad has a decent jab (I agree with Suzies comment regarding Vitalis pawing) I personally think he fights a little too square on to actually get the best benefit of his physical abilities and it is purely the lack of quality jabbers around that allows it to be the weapon it is for him at present
Where do you go to trade them? I mean, is there a special thread or something set up for that? I'd like to add to my starter collection. Here is what I have so far. Tyson Holfyfield 1 Tyson Holyfield 2 Leonard vs Duran 1 Hagler vs Duran Leonard vs Hearns 1 Hagler vs Leonard Duran vs Leonard 2 Leonard vs Benitez Duran vs Hearns Benitez vs Duran Hagler vs Hearns Benitez vs Hearns Leonard vs Hearns 2 Leonard vs Duran 3 [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Joe Louis vs King Levinsky[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Max baer[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Max Schmeling 1[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Jack Sharkey[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Bob Pastor 1[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Jim Braddock[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Tommy Farr[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Nathan Mann[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Max Schmeling 2[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Tony Galento[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Bob Pastor 2[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Arturo Godoy 1[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Johnny Paycheck[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Arturo Godoy 2[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Al McCoy[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Buddy Baer 1[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Billy Conn 1[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Buddy Baer 2[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Billy Conn 2[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Tammi Mauriello[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Louis vs Omelio Agramonte[/FONT]
Wlad wins entire fights with his jab alone. How can you call that "decent"?? It's very fast, long, well timed, and quite powerful. How can you have Liston 3 spots higher than Ali when he easily out-jabbed Liston in their fights? Yes, he wasn't too active and aging a bit, but Clay was green as well. Plus, it was not even close or competitive in the jab department.