Theres been alot of discussion lately where people disregard great names for being too primitive and they wouldnt be able to hold their own these days and modern fighters are better etc.... When do you feel th Modern era of boxing began here is what i mean by the modern era. When a fighter of that times could fight in the current ruleset with out having to alter there style so for example i would say Jack Johnson couldnt do that but Joe Louis could. When do you think it happened that fighters began a modern era. Post your thoughts here as well and also what you class modern as
1892, technically, is when the Marquis of Queensbury took over for good. Corbett just defeated Sullivan via kayo in the 21st round. The end of an era for sure. As far as I am concerned, you cant make comparisons to today to eras previously all that well, but, I would have to say the era for modernization came around the 1920's and 1930's.
yes i know technically it was 1892 but i dont think fighters then would have much cope now i agree with 20s/30s
I would say the modern era of Queensberry Rules, began after World WarII. A pioneer post 1945, deserves huge kudos.
Well if we are splitting the sport into three eras then I say Pioneer 1857-1892 (Corbett/Sullivan); Old Timers 1892-1945; Modern post 1945. If you just having a pioneering era, then modern, then I would say just out of respect; Pioneer finished with the death of the man who first popularized the sport of Queensberry Rules Boxing; Jem Mace (born 1831; died November 30th 1910).
What in your opinion changed in 1920, to take us into the modern era? I say post World War II, because despite already having nearly 60 pro fights, people could actually start to concentrate on sports, and Ray Robinson had clearly taken the sport to a new level, not seen before. A level for which we have yet to see, be surpassed.
the style of the fghters and the ruleset. Fighter relied less on holding and wrstling and the stance evolved from the Bareknuckle stance to one which is familair today. Also the nuetral corner rule and many other rules came into effect and less rounds so no more 4o round fights etc...
I think to be fair Corbett had developed the left hook and was basically fighting in the modern fight set. 45 Rounders finished I believe with Jackson/Willard. The last world title fight to go 20 rounds was Siki/McTigue; the last scheduled 20 round world title fight was I think a Louis defence and 20 rounders did not die entirely until the 70s. Wrestling was taken out of the sport with the concept of Queensberry rules, and many a fighter, even today, to a point relies on holding. A good point about the neutral corner rule, a mid 20s rule that cost Dempsey (although, Tunney got away with it, when he put Dempsey down!). That all said, I can see where you coming from, and you have a fair argument.
yes obviously some fighters like Corbett were quite advanced but do you really think Corbett could cope with Adamek or Cunningham. I cant see it i think the 20s is when i start rating fighters H2H. Wrestling was theoreticly taking out of the game by the MOQ rules but many fighters still wrestled and were let away with it although it wasnt as bad as bareknuckle days. The stance is what changed the most though as fighters became more 'modern' and less like the bareknuckle stance. also more fighters used head movement effectivly.
Boxing is always evolving as is everything else, looking for nice clear cut-off points is only for nerds(like us?) But a year-1882 when John L arrived!