Ward shows his stuff: The next SMW King

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by RightCross, May 16, 2009.


  1. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Thats right, I said it and have said it for a long time. Andre Ward is the complete package as a boxer. He has all of the tools to take over the division. Lets get a breakdown of his skills.

    Superb defensive skill. Moves well out of the pocket, covers great and rarely gets caught cleanly. He has excellent head movement backing up.

    His footwork and lateral movement is impressive. He gives all the angles and can punch just as well with either hand. There isnt another fighter at super middle that shows his kind of movement.

    He has every punch in the book. He can throw with either hand, has hooks, straight punches and uppers along with a tremendous jab. He can fight inside and outside.

    Most importantly ward hasnt lost a fight since he was 14 years old. He doesnt know how to lose. He has incredible determination and the will to win and I dont see anyone else giving him credit for his will. This will catapault him to a title holder and soon after a multiple belt holder. he moves into a mandatory for Froch. froch has no chance to beat Ward, it will be another clear decision victory. Froch is no where close to the skillset of a Andre ward.
     
  2. san rafael

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  3. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Agreed. Ward is ready to start challenging the top of the division.
     
  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like the way Ward's developing, but he's got some stiff competition in a deep division standing in his way. It's going to take a great fighter to establish themselves as king of 168; does Ward have it in him? Too soon to tell for sure for me, but he's heading in the right direction. It'll be interesting to see how the next couple years play out for him.:thumbsup
     
  5. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I dont think we'll have to wait long. No reason we cant see a Froch fight next. Froch could and probably will fight a nonmandatory next and I thi k he should because when he steps into the ring with ward he will lose his belt. Ward is a superior boxer than JT, is more relaxed with a much more diversified attack, better movement and defense and most importantly wont fade like JT always does.

    here is the WBC ranking before tonight.



    CHAMPION: CARL FROCH (GB)
    WON TITLE: December 6, 2008
    LAST DEFENCE: April 25, 2009
    LAST COMPULSORY: April 25, 2009
    WBA CHAMPION: Mikkel Kessler (Denmark)
    IBF CHAMPION: Lucien Bute (Canada)
    WBO CHAMPION: Karoly Balzsay (Hungary)
    Contenders:
    WBC INT. CHAMPION: Robert Stieglitz (Germany)
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    1. Jermain Taylor (US)
    2. Andre Dirrell (US)
    3. Andre Ward (US) NABF
    4. Jean Pascal (Haiti/Canada)
    5. Karo Murat (Germany) EBU
    6. Edison Miranda (Colombia)
    7. Robert Stieglitz (Germany) INTL
    8. Allan Green (US)
    9. Sakio Bika (Cameroon)
    10. Jeff Lacy (US)
     
  6. Detroit

    Detroit Get Money Full Member

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    If he fights Dirrell...he gets that ass smoked:smoke
     
  7. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know the shot's going to be available for him sooner than what I laid out in my first post, but I usually tend to think a little more conservatively when it comes to that kind of thing. It's no knock on Andre, I just think at least one more fight with a strong contender would do him alot of good, and would really like to see him take on someone like Bika before he makes the jump up to Froch. Andre's polished (but he absolutely has to eliminate backing straight up), I just don't know if he's seasoned enough yet for a title shot. So far, so good, though.
     
  8. No10Point

    No10Point Well-Known Member Full Member

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    From what I saw tonight,
    he might win a belt but he will not be a dominate champion.
     
  9. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    If you have been following ward's career you would realize that you are wrong, there isnt another fighter today in the super middleweight division that displays the skillset that Ward does.

    Kessler is a straight up 1-2 fighter. He lacks any kind of movement, he has strong power though and is a good combination puncher. Ward can beat him. froch, frankly doesnt possess any skillset over ward at all. froch also has slow hands and we seeen what a Ward can do to a guy who telegraphs his punches. Froch will be hard pressed to win a round versus ward. Andrade would chase him around and get tagged all night long. Bute has a good skillset but is a little worse at everything than ward and ward has superior movement.
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    He did OK, but should have had a point taken away for excessive holding. Ref warned him many times, but did nothing. He could have won without all the holding.
     
  11. VanillaKilla

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    i do not agree. Ward will not be a dominant champion. He lacks the intangibles that make a great fighter. First off, he does not have any power. He hit miranda flush with perfectly timed punches from all angles and couldnt stop him. The same miranda that got stopped by (albeit big punchers) MIDDLEWEIGHT punchers. Ward does not have the power to be great......

    Also ward still fights like an amatuer, he does not have a pro style yet, you can tell it really showed when he kept on complaining like a ***** to the refferee.

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves here people, ward showed me tonight that if matched right, he can win a belt an defened it a few times, however once he comes against a truly good fighter, he will get ****ed up :good
     
  12. DStew

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    Ward may be the most skilled fighter at 168, but without more pop in his punches I don't know if he'll be able to get to the very top or stay there for long if he does.

    The best at 168 are all tough guys with heavy hands, and while guys like Froch may not have the greatest skillset, he's better than Miranda and doesn't fold as easily. I see Ward outboxing Froch but Froch catching Ward at some point to change the course of the fight. Kessler and Bute may have problems with Ward at times but both are stronger and decent boxers themselves, so I have to believe they'd eventually have their way with him, at least on the cards.

    Even Taylor gives Ward lots of trouble early, with his quick hands and ability to set up his shots, and Jermain put down Froch so we know he's got enough power to hurt Andre. If Ward makes it past six though, he probably gets the decision.

    I agree with Rock0052; I think Ward would benefit from fighting someone like Bika before going after a real belt. Bika is a hard hitter and more durable than Miranda; Ward wouldn't be able to muscle him around the ring like he did with Miranda tonight.
     
  13. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Because he isnt a horrific puncher has zero, zero bearing on what his success will be. thats like saying Floyd Mayweather or paul williams arent great because they arent huge punchers. Ward has enough pop to earn respect and thats all he needs. Its his boxing skills that are impressive not his power. By saying what you are saying it shows that you lack boxing knowledge.

    Also, he was complaining because Miranda is an extremely dirty fighter who uses his head, low blows, rabbit punches and wrestles. I cant see how u can blame him for that. I stand by what I said and you offer no rebuttal. Ward has the best skillset in the division. If a huge puncher was going to stop him (its possible) it might have happened tonight and it want even close. When ward has multiple belts coem back to this thread and point out how right I was.


    Just wanted to add that your first sentence displays a total falsehood. Because Ward has the intagibles is because he will be a great fighter. The intangibles are all related to boxing ability. defense, movement, angles, ambidexterity etc. those are the intangibles that make great fighters.
     
  14. RightCross

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    Again I dont see the lack of heavy hands correlating to success. I think the more heavy your hands are the more you rely on them and develop your other skills less. miranda is a Prime example of this. Sam peter also comes to mind. froch will not stop ward and he will lose nearly every round if not every round. It will be a repeat of tonights fight.

    Again, I stand by what i say that Ward has the best skillset at 168. In the end the best boxers always end up on the great list.
     
  15. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I must admitt that before tonight I thought that Ward would win a belt but would never really be a elite fighter. But after tonight I saw a little bit of the Roy Jones thing going for him. It seems that no matter who you put him in the ring with they look the same, the fight looks the same. I know that Miranda isnt the most complete fighter out there, but he is a fighter that was said to be strong in the area's that Ward was weak. In the end the fight looked just like the fight Ward had before that and the one before that. If its the case and Ward keeps winning that way even as the level goes up people will never show him the respect that he should get. It will be oh that guy had an off night, or he isnt the same, or he had a hard time making weight. Its already starting with Miranda.