Just watched some old KT tapes

Ahh - The thread is back to normal. Following someone who posts a solid well evidenced set of claims and we're now back to this sort of crap.

:bart

 

Prove me wrong *****. If Kosta beat all of these tough tough guys what did these guys accomplish. Why are ALL of them contender level fighters or gate keepers and have been throughout. :rofl Judah was the most successful fighter he fought which is a joke in itself.

 

Oh his competition was 1000 wins and 150 losses. Yeah, half that **** is from fighting and old ass Chavez. You guys are seriously ****ing hilarious. You are touting Hurtado and Gonzalez as back up and pumping up a young "Prime" lol Zab. Yeah he was prime b/c he was knocking out low level contenders and when he stepped up he lost.(seemed to be a pattern with Zab).

 

Glossing over stats and looking at boxrec numbers is just not the best way to gauge a fighter...They dont tell the whole story.

 

I don't need too. You can just go to boxrec and read it yourself.

How many modern fighters start fighting former world champs <5 fights into their careers?

How many modern champs have unified their weight division?

How many fighters after suffering a KO loss come back and win 9 on the trot en route to unifying their division, 8 by stoppage?

If you were to do a top 10 Jnr Welter list - How many people would not have Tszyu in their top 5 of a division stretching back to the 1920's?

How many undisputed champs have an amatuer world title over Vernon Forrest to boot?

You make him sound like a ducker or a cherry picker. Your move, *****.

 

Of course not. Thus makes anything you say may be used against you in the court of ****ing law. You have no other argument other than some bull**** stats. The guage of the fighter mother****er.. we know who these fighters are. We know they are ****ing contenders and filling and have been beaten by all other top fighters. You dont claim greatness by beating a "prime" zab or any version of Sharmba. We know who the **** these fighters are and that is why we say his accomplishments are only good as far as the bull**** stats thrown out by your guy in defense.

 

You talking to me?
Im agreeing with quite a few of your points by saying that.

 

Ok you think you are making a point *****. Who did he unify against? How many fighters on the top level have suffered KO losses to fighters of Vince Phillips caliber? Who are these nameless champions he defeated on the come up WHERE THEY CHAMPIONS WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM OR WERE THEY ALREADY OLD AND WASHED UP? How good were they and how long did they hold the title? Where they champions at 140? Who the **** gives a **** about amateurs we are talking about PROs. There have been many great amateurs that had so-so success as pros. He unified a division of leftovers. PERIOD. He beat Vernon Forrest in the amatuers..Mike Tyson got beat in the amateurs so what is your ****ing point. Is this the best you can do?

 

Tyson got knocked out in, or close to, his prime. But nobody ever says Tyson lost to 'that callibre' of fighter as though he should be rated on that level. Anyone who watched the Phillips loss can see Tszyu just ran out of gas and went down swinging. It's not like he was outboxed or out matched. He more or less knocked himself out. No it doesn't look good, but Jesus, stop being so simplistic. Honestly, would you have backed Phillips in a rematch? I bet you wouldn't. So besides that, what else have you got? He lost to Ricky Hatton in 11 at the age of 35?

 

lol at the anger in this post. Clearly some misdirected ******* bitterness. Does it really bother you so much that some people still think Tszyu would beat PAC? Don't stress. ****. For somebody with so many posts you sound like a troll.

 

Precisely - Tszyu was not one of them, he excelled in both the amatuer and world arena to beat the best guys available to him at his weight in the time he was active.

Not many fighters do that at all.

You still haven't answered how many titles have been unified in say even the last ten years - I guess anyone can do it.

Now don't cry and write an over sized paragraph next time.

So name the top 10 all time Jnr Welters and leave Tszyu out and look like an even bigger cry baby.

 

I love how the Pac fans have mutated from charming underachievers to overzealous throat tearing maniacs if you so much as even disagree now.

It's a good thing Manny is a top bloke because the fans are rapidly graduating to the kind of one eyed fans that you just can't have a level headed conversation with.

 

Tszyu was unreal as an amateur.