The Miranda Mirage

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  1. pudding

    pudding Active Member Full Member

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    You don't need to be a KO artist to knockout Miranda.
     
  2. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    I will acknowledge he has been successful as far as popularity and TV coverage is concerned.

    However, that attitude is endemic of what is wrong with many boxers, whose aspirations are fame driven and not glory driven. Considering yourself a success because HBO covers your fights is a poor indicator of your mental drive.

    Miranda lost the fire after the KO losses to Pavlik and Abraham. As of such he is top notch brawler, but brawlers will always lose to more skilled boxers and puncher with better technique.

    He can still give a lot of guys a tough fight. But he must realize if he ever wishes to hold a belt that he MUST learn real boxing fundamentals.
     
  3. Farmboxer

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    He just doesn't have the fire anymore. He used to be homeless. I hope he has made some good money, at least he fights.
     
  4. pudding

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    It is all about the individual situation. Miranda refused to learn his lessons from the past and as a matter of fact he went into denial and became delusional. As the fight progressed he began to see that he was yet again going to be exposed. If you had observed carefully you would have seen him losing heart and performing like a defeated man. Compare with Froch who never doubted that he could beat Taylor. If Ward had made the effort he would have knocked out Miranda, and he could have done it without getting into a slugging match. In any case even if he did resort to a slugging match in the later rounds, it is likely Ward would have won that too.
     
  5. pudding

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    Actually Miranda comes to knockout his opponents. When he fails to do so, he starts acting like a loser.
     
  6. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Miranda is a perfect example of a fighter being in love with his power and neglecting all other aspects of his game
     
  7. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As I already wrote in another thread I think he lost his fighting spirit and his self-confidence. Technically he's limited, yes, but so are a lot other very successful fighters. If you've the shape and the punching power combined with a killer instinct you can make it to the top, even without decent boxing skills. Miranda lost his killer instinct in the fights against Pavlik and Abraham. He will never be the same that he was when he nearly beat AA in their first fight.
     
  8. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    Agree, but to give the man his fair due, your last sentence should really read:

    He will never be the same fighter as he was way back in that first fight with Arthur Abraham (when he was ripped off and cheated by a combination of ref, judges, officials and doc in one of the most obvious and blatant collusions in a while). :deal
     
  9. pudding

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    That was a dirty, foul filled fight which the referee, Randy Neuman I think it was, let it get out of hand. Although Miranda claims he was ripped off, the fact is he was not only out boxed by Abraham he was hurt a couple of times as well. Breaking a man's jaw is not enough to beat him in a boxing match. Miranda hasn't learned what it takes to win.
     
  10. K-Man

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    1. Eastman didn't even train for Miranda, while he was in perfect condition for Abraham and Hopkins. He was just out of shape and needed a break in round 7, and the crooked ref used the first chance he had to wave off the fight although Eastman was in no real trouble. He ate a couple of punches in the corner but was not even nearly out on his legs, or whatever excuse you could fetch to say the fight needed to be stopped. Typical bull**** stoppage to promote a fighter.

    2. The only discussion about the first Abraham Miranda fight was the translation problems to get Abraham to understand that he loses the fight if he does not continue. "Worst officiating" is a pure bull**** cheap shot to somehow slander Abraham. Miranda landed around 20 intentional lowblows and the mother of an intentional headbutt, and was warned like 180 times before points were deducted. Other fighters lost immediately a point on their first foul like punching behind the head, lowblow, etc. (Abraham, Adamek vs. Briggs, Hatton vs. Mayweather, Klitschko vs. Gomez). It's utter bullcrap to come with hometown backyard rules like "lowblows happen, you cannot punish them!" or "two headbutts a round free!".

    3. If anyone was outboxed in that fight it was Miranda. Miranda landed exactly one big trickshot when Abraham underestimated him, the right feint left uppercut that broke his jaws. Good shot (no lucky punch but planned), but that's it. The rest of the fight was typical Abraham waiting behind his guard and doing his flurries, which he all landed flush until he ran out of blood. When he had Miranda in trouble after 4 rounds, seeing that Abraham evades his punches, that one started the crap with lowblows and headbutts. When Abraham totally went out of strength for the blood loss, he still dodged EVERY big hook of that one, fighting almost in trance, forgetting where Miranda was at in the ring. Still, this was Mirandas best fight ever, he became less technical and more one punch brawler with every fight after that one.

    With a strict technical trainer like Wegener or Roach, Miranda could still develop into a worldclass fighter. However, with the same "friends" around him who don't bother to do the things necessary instead of cheerleading him, he will fade into a footnote.
     
  11. pudding

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    Personally I don't think Miranda will ever learn good fundamentals. He is too old and has too many bad instincts to reprogram. His first lousy fight was his debut stateside, where he showed everybody his crankiness when opponents won't lay down. The writing was on the wall, it was clear some changes needed to be made. He didn't do it then and it is unlikely he will do it now. When you look at it from the point of view of boxing, a dieing sport, this is a tragedy. Miranda is arguably the biggest P4P puncher in the world and consequently should be the biggest draw in boxing. He could have been making millions of dollars a fight, but instead he will likely go into obscurity and possibly even poverty. Another sad boxing story of rags to riches to rags.
     
  12. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    You're ****ing dumb as dirt or biased as hell. You need eyeglasses.
     
  13. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    Claims he was ripped off? LMFAO. Watch the fight.
     
  14. pudding

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    They had the headbutt posted on Abraham's website. However what they didn't mention is that Abraham brought out the worst in Miranda. The headbutt was a response to a rabbit punch. How does a referee deal with that kind of provocation? Well, whatever it should be, we now know in hindsight that Randy Neuman got it wrong.
     
  15. Gandul

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    He just needs to change his trainer and have someone who teaches him some sound fundamentals of the game.