Andy Lee

Stewart certainly didnt help Lee with all his hype and Andy paid for it but his two fights since have been against men better than Vera IMO Gibbs and Sipos and Andy wasnt drawn into a slugging match with either.So i think he has learned from the loss and will win a title one day.As has been said he has too much skill,heart and power not to be a champ one day,He needs to be kept busy though and a bout with Mc Ewan would be a good match up Lee beat him in the ams.

PS The gibbs fight is very good you should look it up on you tube.

 

Andy Lee is a quality fighter, back in the day one loss on an up and coming fighter's slate wasn't the be all and end all. I agree that all Steward's hype didn't help but he's Andy's manager as well as trainer and he probably thought he'd won the lottery having this Irish MW banger.
Get him fighting regularly and injury free to boost his confidence and you'll see the best of him. I know Carl Daniels has no punch resistance but watch Andy KO him on youtube..

 

He's very good just painfully in-experienced, he wasn't used to getting hit the way he wasi n the Vera fight so he panicked and his defence went out the window, but hes very good at rolling with shots and coming back with counters when he boxes right.

Just keep building him up in the ring instead of in interviews with Steward.

 

The Vera loss saved him from a career threatening ass whoopin'! Vera was hand picked to make him look good on FNF. Had he won, Top Rank was ready to sign him to a 4 fight deal. The deal included two appearances on Pavlik undercards, and a shot at the champ himself. Pavlik would have treated Lee worse than he treated Gary Lockett, and may very well have ended his young career.

Andy looks to have taken it all in stride, and is now on the right road to full development. I think the kid has potential.

 

You cant compare Lee to Lockett. The size difference in that fight was huge, it looked like a Khan fight. Plus their different styles are completely. Lee would fair much better working behind the jab, with his southpaw stance, eye level with Pavlik.

I'm not saying Lee would win, just its a bad comparison.

 

I'm not trying to compare styles, but think about these facts. Andy Lee would not take 3 knees in three rounds, he'd go out on his sheild, as we like to say.

He carries his hands low, he's not that fast, his lateral movement is okay but not great, he doesn't hit hard enough to buy a blink from Pavlik with his life savings.

KP is a pressure fighter, and at that point in time Andy did not respond well to pressure. Andy is a boxer, not a brawler, but at the time of the Vera fight he did not understand his own identity.

Vera walked Lee down and beat him up. Imagine what Pavlik would have done to him. Andy's heart and toughness would cost him big. He'd ultimately take a much worse beating than Lockett did. That's the only reason for the comparison.

The time may come when Andy is ready for KP, but for now I'll maintain my position that the loss to Vera saved his ass.

 

True, good post.

Lee knows now that he's not the guy for standing and trading and has gone back to the style that suits him. If the Vera fight hadn't happened, he would have let Pavlik come at him and give him a beating.

 

For those of you who didn't catch Lee's fight with Alexander Sipos, he fought poorly and won on points. Sipos kept catching him with big shots and looked to have him in trouble a few times. Lee's defense was so poor, perhaps Manny is the wrong coach for him. He certainly can punch (even knocked down Sipos) but he can forget about world titles and all that until he sorts out his defense.

 

he's got the skills t pay the bills but needs defensive work and manny steward makes me cringe every time he talks about Lee.

 

10 month lay-off due to injury, bound to look rusty but I do agree he needs a better defense

 

The Vera loss was the best thing to happen to Lee he was too cocky thanks to stewards constant hype , i was at his last fight against sipos , Lee was ring rusty and got hit by clean shots , he beat sipos comfortabley in the end but i dont think lee deals with rough house brawlers like sipos and vera well . when pavlik and abraham move up to smw , the middleweight division is there for the taking and andy could fill that void . Would love to see lee - duddy in the future

 

So far he is nothing more than overrated. he hasn't proved he can beat or even look good against average competiiton.

 

Andy Lee needs to work on his ring craft/ring generalship, he gets caught with the right hook from the orthodox stance time and time again, he could not avoid it against Vera and he has shown signs that he is still open to it against Gibbs and the German guy he fought, cant remember his name.

Spitos or something.

 

I thought he was supposed to have beaten Pavlik by now? Sorry - just had to chime in with that because it used to drive me crazy when Emmanuel Steward was pushing Lee as the man to beat Pavlik in 2008.

Lee is a good boxer with good power - but his infighting leaves a bit to be desired and he seems fragile.

 

In general I think people are being much more realistic about Andy than they were in 2007. I seem to remember Box Rec putting him in the top 10 at one point. Now they have him at #26, which is probably about right. Even the Irish posters on here have calmed down.

I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Manfredo, Ornales, and Rubio over the next year or so. He's probably ready for that level. Those would all be tough fights for him, but if he won all 3, we could start calling him a contender rather than a prospect.