Dempsey - A Harder Hitter Then Marciano?

I also have a question. Did Dempsey ever knockout a big heavyweight(at least 6'1 210lb +) that was as skilled as Joe Louis? I very much doubt it. The big men dempsey knocked out Firpo Willard Morris and Fulton had nowhere near the boxing skills or jab joe louis had, so it was easier to penetrate them. Marciano knocked out his share of the huge unskilled strongboys like Big Bill Wilson and Johnny Skhor too. I think Marcianos knockout over Louis is the single most impressive win over a big man, since Louis actually had skills and a jab as good as modern big heavyweights...skills and a jab fulton willard morris and firpo did not have.

 

1. Who says Willard was iron chinned? the only two punchers he fought, both knocked him out! He was a fat blubbery 245lb, his real weight was closer to 225lb.


2. Dempsey was in his prime when he fought Willard. Marciano was not when he fought Cockell.


3. I specificully said the PRE 1954 Rocky Marciano was a harder one punch hitter than Jack Dempsey. Not the 1954-1955 version. Marcianos whole style changed after 1953, its visible on film. Prior to 1954, he was a one punch knockout slugger artist. Post 1953, he turned into a attrition swarmer type puncher, still very effective but much less powerful.

Now re-read what I wrote. The pre 1954 version of Rocky Marciano was a harder one punch hitter than Jack Dempsey. Does the Cockell fight, which took place in 1955 fall into this category? I think not.

 

Fulton had a great jab ,judging from fight reports

 

Fight reports back then were often sensationlized to the extreme. To the point where they made those old timers seem like Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson, yet when we checked out the film there styles looked very primitave and crude. I doubt Fulton's jab was anything like Joe Louis's. Heavyweights of that period simply did not know how to throw a good jab(maybe wills did)...until tunney and sharkey came along.

 

I dont think Langford would agree with you, Fulton ripped his eyes to bits with his telescopic left hand,Langford was hospitalized after their fight.
Gunboat Smith ,a very hard hitter, said that Willard had an all time great chin . Dempsey half killed Willard before he quit.
Willard was in his 40's when he fought Firpo , coming back after years of inactivity he was winning the fight but his legs went on him.
Jack Johnson ,who preceded Fulton by 20 years had a fine jab.
Great jabs from the
Old timers? Tunney,Delaney,Leonard.Loughran,Mandell,Driscoll,Attell.
How many do you want?
Willard himself beat Frank Moran relying allmost totally on his left jab.

 

What about his KOs of Brennan and Sharkey?

 

I think Dempsey was a level above ...

 

This thread is specificully talking "hitting power". So please explain how dempsey was the "harder hitter" despite Rocky scoring more one punch knockouts on film than Jack Dempsey.

 

What caused Dempsey to get angry with two ton?

 

Awesome post.

 

He looked like he could be either one in his career, depending on what fight you looked at.

His power was hard to gauge. He had fights where he would pound the other guy with everything in his arsenal - ie: Charles, Moore, Cockell - before finally putting them away; but in between, he'd have fights like Walcott and Layne, where he'd shockingly whack the guy out with one or two punches out of the blue.

 

Both of them came from multiple punches. More particularly, the Sharky "KO" came from a combination to the balls and then to the head when he was complaining to the ref. When he was on the floor, he was grabbing his crotch, probably in an attempt to get a DQ win.

I'm not denying that he broke his jaw, i'm just saying that it doesn't mean all that, given that big ben was barely a journeyman. Any pro boxer who can land at will is going to break jaws. Norton did it against Ali but he wasn't that big a hitter, either.

Yes, those are the extremes. How many more like that are there? Half of the heavyweights from the 90's or 70's had just as high KO% as those all time greats.

Come on mcvey, you know this just as well as i do. Smaller guys often need much more punches to put their guy away and are way less likely to succumb to a single punch. And sure, you can give me some examples when it did happen, but i'm saying it's less common than at the higher weights.

Well, if your best evidence is a guy with a knockout percentage of 30% then i'm not going to be convinced, no. Show me a dangerous, hard hitting heavyweight with a 30% knockout percentage? Nor does a quote convince me. That's just an opinion. Here's a quote from a boxer for you: "Audley Harrison is going to be the next great heavyweight champion". Very reliable, right?

Again, i will ask you, where are these one-punch knockouts that Dempsey scored?

 

The punch that kod Sharkey was left hook to the jaw, he was arguing with the referee at the time, and was in no danger of going down from low punches ,come on CP you are scratching here! Like wise the Brennan ko .